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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2004, 07:48:00 PM »
Please provide the names of the Programs that are NOT on the watchlist.  That would be more helpful.  Looks to me like there won't be much left... :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2004, 08:56:00 AM »
Insane obssesive delusional organization watchlist:


ISACC, Inc.



Only one so far, but we are working on it!
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2004, 09:06:00 AM »
Did you program morons ever consider that if you did't isolate the kids from extended family and friends so that people naturally have to be afraid of all kinds of things, that you *might* be hearing less complaints?

Did you ever think that the total isolation of these children from their extended families and communities is *why* people are convinced you have something to hide?

Of course you did.

And the reason you didn't do the *sensible* thing that any normal, halfway reasonable organization would do and reform your contact rules to put the minds of the extended families and communities at rest is......

that you obviously have Something to Hide.

D'oh!

Where there's huge billowing plumes of smoke, there's usually just a bit of fire, babe.

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2004, 10:32:00 AM »
Hey, the anon above is not a program advocate. She just hates organizations like ISAAC that smell like shit and act like idiots.

In fact, she thinks ISAAC is harming the cause of program critics by their reactionary, loose with the truth self serving statements and program like lashing out at people that don't agree with them or question their "research".

We need reasonable credible people fighting this battle, not adult-children with an childish emotional axe to grind.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2004, 10:36:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-22 07:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey, the anon above is not a program advocate. She just hates organizations like ISAAC that smell like shit and act like idiots.



In fact, she thinks ISAAC is harming the cause of program critics by their reactionary, loose with the truth self serving statements and program like lashing out at people that don't agree with them or question their "research".



We need reasonable credible people fighting this battle, not adult-children with an childish emotional axe to grind.



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 :nworthy:  :nworthy:
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-22 07:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey, the anon above is not a program advocate. She just hates organizations like ISAAC that smell like shit and act like idiots.



In fact, she thinks ISAAC is harming the cause of program critics by their reactionary, loose with the truth self serving statements and program like lashing out at people that don't agree with them or question their "research".



We need reasonable credible people fighting this battle, not adult-children with an childish emotional axe to grind.



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I was never in a program.  But I tend to cut people that were a certain amount of slack.  If they have lasting problems, I frequently chalk them up to the understandable after-effects of what was done to them.

Regardless of what the other programs are or aren't like, I think it's pretty well established that the Straight survivors went through hell on earth.

If the ISAC folks are sometimes a bit eccentric, it's not like there aren't darned good reasons for it.

They seem to me to be doing good work, and more good than harm.

If they're not perfect, so what?  Who is?

At least they're not holding other human beings incommunicado against their will.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
I would like some examples of ISAC being "loose with the truth"; or of the faulty reaserch.
I have read the reports, and have been greatly impressed with the quality of the reserch; and its my understanding they have reems of documentation to back up their reports.
If your on their watch list there is a reason. If you think it unjust, then explain why; but calling ISAC names just makes You look childish and selfserving.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2004, 01:05:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-22 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I would like some examples of ISAC being "loose with the truth"; or of the faulty reaserch.

I have read the reports, and have been greatly impressed with the quality of the reserch; and its my understanding they have reems of documentation to back up their reports.

If your on their watch list there is a reason. If you think it unjust, then explain why; but calling ISAC names just makes You look childish and selfserving."


KZ is that you????
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2004, 01:29:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-22 08:45:00, Timoclea wrote:

"I was never in a program.  But I tend to cut people that were a certain amount of slack.  If they have lasting problems, I frequently chalk them up to the understandable after-effects of what was done to them.



Regardless of what the other programs are or aren't like, I think it's pretty well established that the Straight survivors went through hell on earth.



If the ISAC folks are sometimes a bit eccentric, it's not like there aren't darned good reasons for it.



They seem to me to be doing good work, and more good than harm.



If they're not perfect, so what?  Who is?

At least they're not holding other human beings incommunicado against their will.

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True that, but they have a history of shouting down all critics and trying to cause them personal problems. Perhaps this is abberent behavior from the cult they haven't been able to shake?

They have a website that by innuendo seems to claim they are a giant organization when in fact it is just a couple people.

They also have a tendency of taking other peoples research and claiming it as their own, making false statements and inaccurate conclusions. Their "research" seems to consist of rehashing newspaper articles and magazine articles, drawing improper parallels between Straight, Inc. and WWasp and other CEDU derivitive programs. To them, all roads lead back to their personal boggieman, Mel Sembler and Straight, Inc.

Like it was said earlier, they are way too emotionally scarred to be credible.

Be that the fault of straight Inc. or some pyscosis non-related, it appears to be a given. Therefore, The critizism they receive is well placed. They are hurting, not helping, the crediblity of those trying to bring this topic to those that were unaffected personaly by it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2004, 09:00:00 PM »
I read the completed investigation by this ISAC group and see mainly crap regarding WWASPS.  There's so much that it would take a separate website to say what I do know is the truth.  Those that haven't been involved with WWASPS don't know, even those that have been will see it's full of holes, if you're honest.  I can't comment on the other investigations, etc., but from what I see, there's not much out there that isn't on their list.  They truly are hurting more than they are helping.  I'd like to know who they've helped!  

So ISAC is only a couple of people?  That makes sense.  Find a cause and bring down all programs that even resemble the one they were in.  

WWASPS probably won't sue them for defamation just by the way they have worded their text.  Stuff like "in our opinion" isn't enough to do that, I'm sure.  

I would love to see the programs out there that are not good, be closed down, but they have lumped all programs into the same category.  The real bullshit programs and the real effective programs are NOT one and the same.  

Put your energies where they will do some good, ISAC, and that means getting as far away from educational consultants and other program advocates with an agenda as possible.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2004, 01:11:00 AM »
Does anyone know if any of the Programs that PURE refers to are on the list? I read somewhere, maybe here, that PURE and ISAC are sleeping together.  Any confirmation on that?
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2004, 08:00:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-22 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I read the completed investigation by this ISAC group and see mainly crap regarding WWASPS.  There's so much that it would take a separate website to say what I do know is the truth.  Those that haven't been involved with WWASPS don't know, even those that have been will see it's full of holes, if you're honest.  I can't comment on the other investigations, etc., but from what I see, there's not much out there that isn't on their list.  They truly are hurting more than they are helping.  I'd like to know who they've helped!  



So ISAC is only a couple of people?  That makes sense.  Find a cause and bring down all programs that even resemble the one they were in.  



WWASPS probably won't sue them for defamation just by the way they have worded their text.  Stuff like "in our opinion" isn't enough to do that, I'm sure.  



I would love to see the programs out there that are not good, be closed down, but they have lumped all programs into the same category.  The real bullshit programs and the real effective programs are NOT one and the same.  



Put your energies where they will do some good, ISAC, and that means getting as far away from educational consultants and other program advocates with an agenda as possible.  "



Well, Anon, I am the first anon. I agree with you to a point, and where we leave is where you suggest there are good programs. I see no evidence of this. being the former captive of the teen help industry and feelings the tremendous negative effects of being in thought reform, I question that assertion.

My issues with Isaac do not stem from their criticism of WWasp or any other programs, rather their methodology and credibility.
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