OK, I see what you mean.
My point is, it doesn't matter if these girls were atractive or not. You probably don't think they are, other people disagree with you and it's all good. The same way the model chicks that you've gone out with were probably into you and others weren't. You wouldn't apreciate it if people said these things about Kara, right? It's life, dude. People have different tastes.
About this Kellie girl, I'm not sure I can put a face to that name, If she had sex with these men, it's really more than we need to know. It does sound degrading to talk about her that way, no matter how badly she's acted.
I agree with you that we need to raise the bar, but my concept of raising the bar goes way beyond the physical appearance. I too have gone out with models before and quite frankly, they don't intrigue me much. They are gorgeous, but the ones I met were empty and superficial. You see, it's not like the looks don't matter, of course they do, but if a good look is all that a person has to offer, then he's ugly to me. You know what I mean?
Hey, hope didn't take my comments offensively, I just don't like it when people talk about women this way. Other than that, I'm interested to know what you have to say.
Peace!