What was Ken Zaretzky like ???

[Anonymous]

is your question am I ken Zaretzky?
yeah, so what?

what i asked in response to a specific set of accusations that I am quite tired of is ""can anybody out there who was at elan when ken zaretzky worked there corroborate any of matts wild accusations? or does anyone who was at elan when ken worked there have thier own story that at least one person besides them was privy to of ken abusing anyone? "

I'd love to hear someone answer that.

as to your question about "my watch" nobody will ever appear, besides matt hoffman who seems to know things nobody on earth besides him knows, and say that they were abused in any house that i was in control of. the reason why nobody will do so is because nobody was ever abused in a house i ran while i ran it, at least not that i ever knew of.

as to me being an 'adult in charge' elan was my first job. I joined the staff when i was 17, i left when i was 21 to 23 (i'm really not sure) if you want to call that an "adult in charge" feel free. what I saw me as at the time (and still do)was a young guy who cared about people and tried my hardest to help them and to treat them well given my experience and substance at the time. The only way I would change that from todays perspective is i would use the word "kid" instead of "young guy".

As far as how "in charge" i was 30 years ago. I am truly flattered by matts statements about how i was a wheel at elan, but i was a pretty minor player. in addition to joe, david eldert (who matt's forgotten) jeff, marty and peter...also in front of me about a half dozen other directors. My "peers" would have been eddie freedman, eddie walsh, ronnie evans, john brakey, niel saxner and brian katcher. Sorry but i just wasn't all that important then.

anyway, i don't want to keep posting here. i don't consider this an especially friendly place.

if anyone can  corroborate anything, anything at all matt has said or if anyone out there has any first hand story that can be corroberated of me ever hurting or abusing anyone at elan please say so and i'll apologize. otherwise just let it drop because it never happened.

thats my challenge, thats why i'm here tonight. either put up or let it die.

i'll check here monday or tuesday to see if anybody has anything to say that they haven't considered important enough to mention ijn three decades. or if anyone can corroborate matts bizarre stories.

i think i'll to bed now.

[Anonymous]

Kudos, Ken, for (finally) copping to your own name! Really, this is a breakthrough!

So... what was the name of that girl who got wrapped up like a mummy and tossed into the lake? Was that the same girl who got burried alive? And did somebody dig her up before she died? I'm guessing they did. But there are some people who were little kids then and who really need confirmation that it really was all just theatre.

Now, will you end this play by having an attack of scrupples and putting these old nightmares to rest? Or will you leave as your legacy the putrid image of you casting about for cover from your imaginary onslaught of persecutors?

Just be a decent human being now. It's not really that much to ask.

[Anonymous]

And, BTW, who's Jimmy S.? Any idea what Matt might be talking about?

[Matt C. Hoffman]

Ball less wonder bag headed fool you flatter me by saying that i have made wild accuasations

I did not know that you lived in Idaho  oh I digress

If I remember correctly I believe that i have merely stated  my opinions as pertaining to that ...  not as a matter of fact that...

If anyone out there knows where Scott Blair might be found please let him know that I would like to speak with him  .

he is someone that could be of assistance to my ball less bag headed wearing fool .

It is just like how could elan get away with such horrible and sick brutal abuses  for so long .It takes a book written by Maura Curley that even though the names have been changed (in the first 7 chapters) that from the incidents described  I knew those people ,to start exposing elan for the shit it pulled on decent human beings

Who slams the book people that don't for what ever reason want the truth about elan to be exposed .

Mybe our ball less bag wearing fool is kenny and he misconstrues my opinion with his reality .

Maybe they are worried that people are coming forward and therefor they have to convass to see what is out there .

Tom H. is another fellow that could be of assistance to balless . Any ways I don't want to waste any more of my time on this .To my ball less and  bag wearing old boy fool  just be patient your time is going to come .

Maybe my opinions strike a chord of fear of the truth then you really should keep that bag on your head ,naw I doubt its kenny he is not that stupid or is he ?

[Anonymous]

you  will apologize ....no no I want to see you got to prison along with kruglik ,gottlieb and mccann and no i have not for gotten Dave eldert (I thought he was dead )

First off if it is kenny  tell us the story as to why you were pulled back in . Scott knows remember when he banned you from speaking to to new residents ..I do  remember what he called you yeah Scott Blair  he called you a sick fuk   And why would that be kenny ?Scott Blair knows Remember what you told me as to why and that if I told anyone you would deny that you told me that ..
Remember when I attempted suicide it was partly because of the reason that you told me you were pulled back in . Made me realize that elan was a dark evil place . remember how I stopped talking to you and avoided you like the plague .

Remember Scott  He was a nice person  You were an adult we were kids . Don't try to belittle your involvment  as to your participation in elan and its game remember the boat kenny I know you do .Come on you think about old boy it will come to you .

And you are going to apologize ....No kenny hopefully you will go to prison along with kruglik,gottlieb and mccann . If this is really kenny which I doubt and really I feel gross just thinking that i am talking to you .

It must really suck to carry all this guilt around for all these years and then to be reminded of it constantly .You make me sick

In my opinion you are a true pathological ,prevert  and you make me nauesous,know your time is going to come .

[Matt C. Hoffman]

that previous post was mine ...You will apologize   !!!!!!!! you have got to be kidding me .... In time kenny in time there will be people that will testify  and no you will hopefully go to prison for a very long time along with your buddies . Just a matter of time finding Scott Blair .

just simply mind boggling to the nth degree

[Matt C. Hoffman]

that previous post was mine ...You will apologize   !!!!!!!! you have got to be kidding me .... In time kenny in time there will be people that will testify  and no you will hopefully go to prison for a very long time along with your buddies . Just a matter of time finding Scott Blair .

just simply mind boggling to the nth degree

[Anonymous]

Hey Matt I was at that very same Gm for J.S. and if my memory severs me right I think... no I know Ken had nothing to do with it.Now dont get me wrong it was without a question one of the sickest things I seen go down at Elan, but it took place in 3 and Ken wasnt staff at that time. If Iam correct Jeff and Joe himself ran that GM and I just recently found out the reason why it was so terrible but wont go into that here.
Call me one of the lucky ones but I can honestly say Ken never did anything abusive to me...

ps. Allan was a very cool guy we were tight It was sad to hear about him...

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-01 22:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nice try Dave Kaczorowski (Nazi) but you can't get the focus off of you that way. "

You're busted Ken, I see you try to come in here and focus other topics on other people to avoid confrontation, the thruth of the matter is "You are the focus right now" and there is over 3 pages to prove it.

"
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2004-04-02 21:21:00  
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 is your question am I ken Zaretzky?
yeah, so what?

what i asked in response to a specific set of accusations that I am quite tired of is ""can anybody out there who was at elan when ken zaretzky worked there corroborate any of matts wild accusations? or does anyone who was at elan when ken worked there have thier own story that at least one person besides them was privy to of ken abusing anyone? "

I'd love to hear someone answer that.

as to your question about "my watch" nobody will ever appear, besides matt hoffman who seems to know things nobody on earth besides him knows, and say that they were abused in any house that i was in control of. the reason why nobody will do so is because nobody was ever abused in a house i ran while i ran it, at least not that i ever knew of.

as to me being an 'adult in charge' elan was my first job. I joined the staff when i was 17, i left when i was 21 to 23 (i'm really not sure) if you want to call that an "adult in charge" feel free. what I saw me as at the time (and still do)was a young guy who cared about people and tried my hardest to help them and to treat them well given my experience and substance at the time. The only way I would change that from todays perspective is i would use the word "kid" instead of "young guy".

As far as how "in charge" i was 30 years ago. I am truly flattered by matts statements about how i was a wheel at elan, but i was a pretty minor player. in addition to joe, david eldert (who matt's forgotten) jeff, marty and peter...also in front of me about a half dozen other directors. My "peers" would have been eddie freedman, eddie walsh, ronnie evans, john brakey, niel saxner and brian katcher. Sorry but i just wasn't all that important then.

anyway, i don't want to keep posting here. i don't consider this an especially friendly place.

if anyone can corroborate anything, anything at all matt has said or if anyone out there has any first hand story that can be corroberated of me ever hurting or abusing anyone at elan please say so and i'll apologize. otherwise just let it drop because it never happened.

thats my challenge, thats why i'm here tonight. either put up or let it die.

i'll check here monday or tuesday to see if anybody has anything to say that they haven't considered important enough to mention ijn three decades. or if anyone can corroborate matts bizarre stories.

i think i'll to bed now. "

Congrats On coming forward Ken, this post was intially made by myself in an attempt to find out why people are always slandering you. My personal feelings about you Ken were you were a nice person and certain people were out to shit all over you for some odd reason's. Your first response was to get the focus off of you and get it focused on someone else, thatys a no no Kenneth, you need to confront this issue's Kenneth and find out why so many people HATE you.

Remember Kenneth, I am your FRIEND.

[Anonymous]

Hey Annon Are you refering to Jennifer S 's gm  in three the main house in poland springs .

Then I must know you and you me .I don't think that I have said that ken was involved with her gm .ken was pulled back in for a in my opinion rather sick and bazarre incident .From his own mouth ....but that is neither here or there ...a totally different incident .

Jennifer was perpetually abused by elan I remember her getting like 15 gm' s before they sent her back to Ill. Jerry N.  has aluded that she was basically tortured on that trip .

did you participate in giving the assistant director at 6 a hair cut for yelling at the nightman for knives being left out .

The assistant director  while I was in the diningroom of 6 proceeded to yell that matt hoffman could have  come in here and cut out someones liver and the freak used a piece of liver to make his sick point

remember that little freakshow kenny. Quite a few people participated in that little haircut . He never apologized .

Naw I did not say or post that kenny had anything to do with Jennifer he was an eager participant in her general meetings . I liked Jennifer she was nice could sing and play the guitar  and then they whacked her on drugs .

kruglik gottlieb especially gottlieb liked to abuse jennifer .

Anyone know where she is ?

Are you Mary ? or Diane  pray tell who ?

No I won't give kenny credit for abuse that he did not do . The liver thing was kenny . and I would dare him to deny it .

therfor kenny thats a fact that has   shattered your never abused anyone ever bullshit .
 
put that in your denial pipe (kenny ) and choke on it

[Matt C. Hoffman]

God I am so tired of this computer .I get bumped off more times just trying to post .

Yes the above post is mine the story about the liver and a haircut

[Anonymous]

Well, then call me stupid Matt...You can bet your insane ass it's me.

I came back here tonight because I said I would. If you all will remember a few days back I made a challenge to anyone on earth to provide a first
hand account of me abusing anyone when worked at Elan 30 years ago when I was a kid.

As I had said, in 30 years nobody, not even once has ever said that I was even the slightest
bit abusive to anyone. The reason for this is I never was in the entire time I worked there.

Of course, Matt hoffman has made some rather bizarre and wild statements about me. ONLY Matt.
Apparently, at an Elan that had around 200 residents Matt Hoffman and only Matt Hoffman was
privy to "abusive Ken". Of course nobody, not one person in 30 years has ever corroborated a single word of what Matt has says. Why? because the only place these bizarre things happened were in Matt's very twisted and ill mind. I digress, I'll hold off my discussion of Matt Hoffman's pathology until my final installment Thursday nite.

The point is nobody, not one person came forth with either a first hand account of me ever abusing anyone while I was on the staff of Elan, and not one person came forward to corroborate a single word of Matt Hoffman's wild and bizarre accusations. just like the last 30 years. Not one.

What did happen was Matt rolled out a few more crazy stories about things that happenerd nowhere but in his rather sick mind. The wildest (and most creative) of them was about an assistant director (presumeably me) getting a haircut in the dining room at Elan Six with liver. Matt was never a resident at Elan Six, Assistant Directors didn't get haircuts (vr's for the younger folks). Have any of you ever seen an Assistant Director get a haircut? He said that MANY people saw it.

If an Assistant Director got a haircut about liver in the dining room of one of Elans largest houses (e-6 was big) and MANY people saw it, wouldn't it have been mentioned just one time by one, just one, of the MANY people who saw it in the 30 years since it occurred?  It hasn't.

So maybe i didn't allow enough time for these legions of people to come forward to expose how abusive I was 30 years ago. I'll extend my challenge to my final installment this Thursday nite. If anyone, anyone at all, has a first hand account of me being abusive to any resident, even one time while I worked at Elan when I was a kid 30 years ago. Further, if anyone has any first hand knowlege that will corroborate one word of Matt Hoffmans accusations, please post it here at fornits by Thursday.

I will be back late Thursday nite for my final installment here on Fornits. I promise to enlighten and entertain.

If anyone has the slightest doubt that I am Ken Zaretzky please read a post titled "It's Me" on the ElanAlum.com
message board.

Ken Zaretzky

[Anonymous]

ken I would not call you stupid ...you have already done that for me .

What I do realize is that it seems that in my opinion that you are totally incapable of telling the truth , Which in my opinion is why I think you are a pathological ,meaning a bald faced liar .

You had a chance I guess a long time ago to take the other path .about and be a witness for people that in my opinion were criminally abused by elan .

you know that Maura Curley's book is true especially the first 7 chapters. your are quoted as saying that you thought ricci was a God.

It is funny to see how you say that you were a kid when you worked at elan .When you worked at elan ,in 6 you were an adult ,when you got pulled back into the program in the summer of 74 you were an adult .

It is further funny to see you write that you were not a big wheel and then see you go off about how a you were such a big asst. director and that big assistant directors never got haircuts (you did kennyoldboy) for the very reason using a piece of liver and knowing that I was sitting  in the dr of six .

It further astounds me that  you say there were 200 residents in that house .come on kenny that house barely had 65 people .

I was never in 6 ,kenny you make me laugh of course I was in 6 I did my re-entry in that house .

After all the physical and emotional torture that i went through in 2a there was no way they (elan and it's other henchmen )could have expected me to function properly in the real world .Hence keep me on the site . I imagine that ricci and all were worried that i would start talking about what happened to me in that hell hole,or what  I saw go down in there.

As for being insane well kenny no thanks to you and elan and the other henchmen and the misguided therapy that was bestowed upon me ....yeah i was a hell of alot sicker when I left than i was before going in that hell hole

In fact kenny i repressed elan (call it disasociative amnesia ) you know a defense mec. Personally I found that that every time I talked about elan I would go into a depressive downward spiral and into suicide ideation .(sorry kenny just never did make it to the other side ..)Remember my suicide attempt in elan ,drinking a bottle of qwell (flea and lice) shampoo.Or is that another one of my stories .PLeeeaaazzzee

Some how I learned put elan in some place that really took a lot of energy (sub conscience) to keep there .everything was going along fine until I heard about elan on the news and then proceeded to read an article by AP writer  Denis Lavois on sunday the 23 of jan. 2000.(pertaining to the Skakel investigation)[personally I believe he might be innocent ...i have my reasons ]

It was those words old boy,straight from ricci's mouth "why don't they let by gones be by gones ,the Kennedy family has suffered enough tradgey ,they have gone from camelot to DANTES INFERNO .

Those 2 little words kenny ,ricci's buzz words (i doubt he ever read any  Milton ) were the ones that burst open the vault that I had stuck all of elan in and BUDDY that was pure hell .Therefor thank ricci when you see him ,for his need to see his name and the Kennedy's in print together woke the sleeping giant that was buried in my head .

Incidents that I had never thought of in 24 years peoples names and faces general meetings and of course the twisted lunacy that i experienced for therapy came out almost at once .

Yeah kennard you could say I was quite ill diagnosed as suffering from acute PTSD. It took about 5 months for the horrible memories to trickle down to a few a day .It took me about a year and a half to recover . (with the help of very good people

So kenache I challenge you to take a lie detector test  and I would do the same ,oh shoot I forgot people that are totally incapable of telling the truth (my opinion of you ) can pass those things ...Can they pass truth serum though ,hmm I wonder .

Your supposed challenge to all is as useless as teats on a BOAR and about as small as what I saw on that boat . I would challenge you to truth serum but whats the point .

It amazes me that in 3 or so years of my posting the same stuff,that I heard ,saw and as God is my witness believe in my head and heart happen to me and other people . That you are just now getting aroud to calling me names .

kennath I am more sane than you will ever be .Thats just a fact .

you see my baldheaded fool I am a witness to other residents sick and twisted abuses . Implemented by the assistant directors and the directors at the hands of us the residents .An example is the crown of TAMPOONS that were dipped in katsup to look like BLOOD that a young girl had to wear on her HEAD. ...and you defend this place ....please

I can talk about the incidents of abuse with out the emotional attachment that use to send me in that downward sprial.

My life is so much better now that I don't waste all that energy to encapsulate the pain and suffering that is elan to me .

My last point zaretski,there is a picture of me from 1975.Holloween to be exact with another person's arm around me .kruglik took that picture and told the other person (who did not want to be in the picture with me ) just think what the long term pay out will be . And they said alright .Me in my holloween costume

kruglik put that picture in my file . I dare you to post it cause that would show us that you are working with elan in your smear campain against me .And have reached into my file which would be a big no no .



In essence kenny zaretski from me to you go outside and find a fire hydrant and place yourself over it and do as many squat thrusts as you need so that you may remove the inpaction of lies (that you spin) and then maybe just maybe the truth will start to come out of your mouth , Ah I 'm sorry I keep forgetting that in my opinion that you are totally incapable of telling the truth .

My wife tells me that by responding to your nausating self that I am feeding you pleasure .and kenny thats the last thing I want to do . your sickness escapes me .

You know there is a fellow that you call a nut case .His name is Art he use to work there at elan .He tells the truth about what went on there . This Man has stones and guts like nobodies business . I have great respect for some one like that .He can stand to tell the truth .

ken you can't handle the truth .So go back to your one sided I love elan site and quit trying to bait me cause I just ain't gonna respond .And remember I would love to talk to LAW ENFORCEMENT and would willingly take truth serum or a polygraph.

MH

[Matt C. Hoffman]

The post with the initals MH is mine ......I am sorry if i have used languages that offends normal sane people .It is obvious that in my opinion I have to deal with this ass in this fashion .

[Anonymous]

perhaps if matt and ken were placed into the ring, the truth would out? no? yes? stupid solution, wouldn't you agree?
then someone please put an end to this childish feud. if anyone can corroborate any of matt hoffman's allegations, say it here, say it now. otherwise, matt, you must cool it, go away.. or both.
since you have not offered one shred of proof to anything you have said...what are normal rational people to think?
ken makes very good points which you have not addressed.
your credibility is fading fast.
it would appear that you have until thursday night to put up or shut the fuck up.
so far the score reads :
                                        matt hoffman 0 /  ken zaretzky 10.
and a comment about ken...ken is a mensche. ken walks the walk. the rest of you just talk the talk.
....a concerned citizen wishing for sanity to return to this board.