OMG!

[Froderik]

I wholeheartedly agree with RTP's above post.

[Anonymous]

To dilute the only public voice heard by those formerly associated with the program with posts that alternate between ancient song lyrics and fuck off directives in my very own opinion is counterproductive.  That counterproductivity undermines all potential possibilities that could stem from a collective unification against abusive treatment facilities.  I think if there was a stronger foundation resulting from the communication in these "fora" that possibly attendance would be up at the "International Conferences on Adolescent Treatment Abuse", and maybe likewise at protests and such.  Possibly an entire movement of STRAIGHT and legacy program survivors could solidify and strengthen with focus on the paramount issues of concern to us veterans of those programs that involuntarily forced mindbending thought reform on us in the name of rehabilitation.  I know with that thought that I am thinking very idealistically, but there are people on these boards from all over the country and from all walks of life, from the junkie, to the MD, and from all types of varying programs with similiar modalities of treatment.  It seems like with all that collective knowledge, experience, and motivation (~no pun~) that the boards could serve a better purpose than being overrun with clownish posts.

That is what is meant by Dr. Fuckwad and Therifuck being FOR the program, they are certainly not against the program as they undermine the only public medium of communication used by those against the program.  There are too many other boards out there that aren't as thematically relavant as these are, but yet they remain here, pissing people off who all share a rather fucked up experience.  

The saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" could be applicably arranged here to read "the enemy of my friends is also my enemy".  Rather, if one is not *for* the fight against abusive rehabilitation and your purpose is only to undermine those defending the position against the program then rational logic dictates you must be in favor of the opposition.  In other words, I wouldn't find myself fucking with vegetarians on bbs designed for them unless I was in favor of eating meat...does that make sense?  Likewise speaking, I would not be gay bashing on a homo bbs if I, myself, was gay?  
It just doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-13 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In other words, I wouldn't find myself fucking with vegetarians on bbs designed for them unless I was in favor of eating meat...does that make sense?  Likewise speaking, I would not be gay bashing on a homo bbs if I, myself, was gay?  

It just doesn't make sense.



"

Beautifully said.

[Cayo Hueso]

Why can't there be room for both here.  Those that want to accomplish something, go ahead.  Those that want to just get in touch with friends, by all means.  Those that want to come and joke around and shoot the shit, great.  I don't necessarily like the song lyrics or whatever, but I don't read them anymore.  It doesn't interest me, so I skip over it.  I've found most of what the Drs and 'Miller' are doing quite humorous.  I've taken what they've posted as they intended....a joke, sarcasm whatever you want to call it.  

As far as really accomplishing something, I don't think that is going to be done on these forums.  To me, they're more for communication.  The accomplishments, whatever they be, will come to fruition either in the courts or some other venue, or they won't.  These forums help to facilitate some of what is being done, but it's not going to 'get done' here.  

Life is too short to get upset over shit like this.  Let's all lighten up and move on.

What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Dr Fucktard]

That is what is meant by Dr. Fuckwad and Therifuck being FOR the program, they are certainly not against the program as they undermine the only public medium of communication used by those against the program. There are too many other boards out there that aren't as thematically relavant as these are, but yet they remain here, pissing people off who all share a rather fucked up experience.

And the fact that YOU don't shut up keeps it going. See? Here I am again. And to think that I had practically resolved to not post here again. But knuckleheads such as yourself just don't get it, you keep dragging me back. Goddamn, but you are dense!  :flame:

[Dr. Fucktard]

On 2004-03-13 17:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I can't speak for Therion, but I swear I read in another thread that Satan had possession of Fuctard.



666



 :flame:

[Antigen]

First, I never intended for these fora to be exclusive to program vets. If I wanted that, I'd have done it like the Synanon site and set up some kind of language test as a condition of access. What would be the point of that anyway? We all know already what happened to us and what we saw. One of my main reasons for setting this up was, in fact, so that people who haven't gone through the program can get a candid look at what it's all about.

So having et one's belt in the Sahara, so to speak, doesn't give anyone any more right to post here than someone who's never even heard of any of these programs. And no less, of course.

To dilute the only public voice heard by those formerly associated with the program with posts that alternate between ancient song lyrics and fuck off directives in my very own opinion is counterproductive. That counterproductivity undermines all potential possibilities that could stem from a collective unification against abusive treatment facilities.

Look, I'm still running these fora in just the same way I have from the beginning. If that has resulted in this becoming "the only public voice heard by those formerly associated w/ the program", then there's no reason to think that should change just because a few people are posting things you don't like. You just never know what might grow out of some of this other stuff that you don't like. Neither do I. We'll just have to wait and see.


Hell, take a look over in the Teen Help forum. Over there, we have real, honest to god Program recruiters and parents. They try like hell to disrupt any meaningful discussion. But they fall on their asses just about every time. The really funny part is that they don't know they're joking.

It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.

--Joseph Goebbels

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-14 05:45:00, Antigen wrote:

"First, I never intended for these fora to be exclusive to program vets. If I wanted that, I'd have done it like the Synanon site and set up some kind of language test as a condition of access.


In no way do I imply that these fora should be exclusive to program vets nor include  discussion exclusive to the program (how boring that would be). My initial thread was merely an observation that stated something similiar to the fact that it kind of sux that this bbs has recently seen so many more clowns than it did in yesteryear, it was not to imply that you the sysop are running the boards any differently.  No one said a word about you, how you run/ran things, nor how you should run things here.  If my words were an attack on the you as the host, it would have been worded very differently.  

Every post is not a fuckturd post, so the bbs has not yet been completely assimilated by jerkoffs, cayohueso, you are correct and there is room for both. I didn't mean to infer that there wasn't.  

I don't want to reiterate my entire former post, but it was also not my position that something could "really be accomplished" on the fora alone.  I see the fora as simply a tool that could *potentially* be used as a vehicle of communication with purpose and intent to strengthen a movement conducive to changing the status quo.  I have heard of conferences, nonprofits, protests, action commitees, etc. for years but I think that there is still much to be done by way of a unified front with focused purpose and intent.

The webmasters of the various websites don't even communicate with each other.  I mean when the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, how can both hands work together to be strong.  If we had a single shot to state our position, such as in current litigation, would our voices, ALL of our voices, even be heard?  Could the numbers be called out?  Are the collected affidavits representative of all those that have spoke out here against the program?  Is Therion still spitting out song lyrics on the straight testimony board?  It's disturbing to think that even the Klan is more organized than all of us that share the experience of being involved in a mind control cult that was directly responsible for the deaths of people that I (WE) used to call friends.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-14 06:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

 I mean when the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, how can both hands work together to be strong.

It's a mystery, isn't it? Here's my theory. In order for the Program philosophy to win out, they have to go to a lot of extra trouble controling what people say and think. We don't have that liability. I think that if I just keep on providing a place where there isn't any authoritative control or planned organization, Program philosophy will wither and die here while more truthful, sensible and worthwhile ideas will flourish.

Making fun of the Rev. Dr., Dr., Fr., Virgil Miller "Cashin" Newton is, in my opinion, a worthy endeavour. If you don't get the humor of it, well pass it by. Sharing song lyrics that you find relavent or salient is also, imo, a fine way to kill a little time. If you don't think so, then pass it by and go on contributing to those efforts that you do find worthy.

Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
http://laissezfairebooks.com/product.cfm?op=view&pid=FF7485&aid=10247' target='_new'> Thomas Jefferson.

[Anonymous]

Again, the issue isn't so much taking a stab at Newton (fig./lit. speaking) nor do I have a problem with killing a little time by posting archaic song lyrics.  In my opinion I emphatically (though simply) think it sux that more time is spent on song lyrics and attending to dr (i)fuck(re)tards (pardon my flaming passive-aggression) posts than on assembly, unification, organization, and ACTION.

I am not calling for a militia (I don't think) only for some sense of solidarity, or a higher sense of fellowship amongst those that DO share the common interests regarding making information public regarding former and current abusive adolescent treatment facilities.

Again I say that it's disturbing to think that even the Klan is more organized than all of us that share the experience of being involved in a mind control cult.

[Antigen]

Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.

Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!

Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter

[RTP2003]

Yes, the Klan is more organized than Program vets. So is Al Queda. So were the Nazis; all named religions and the Drug Free America Foundation. Coincidence? I think not!

I must concur with your profound observation. You rock!

[Antigen]

As do you
:nworthy:

Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.

http://fornits.com/about_us.htm' target='_new'>SysAdmin

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-14 10:38:00, Antigen wrote:

"Then, essentially, you're saying you'd like for people to do more of what you think is important and less of these other things they want to do.

Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter

"

I don't think that's what Anon is trying to say at all, but if that's the case, we can turn it around and say you're saying the same thing.

It's the Anon's opinion, and I happen to agree with it. I know this board is unmoderated, so the only way for idiots to be put in their place is for members to speak out against their posts. Therion saying he thought he was capable of ruining some girl's marriage that posts here was the stupidest thing he's said here by far. On top of all the other inane posts of vague banter, unauthored song lyrics, bad poetry and scat pictures.

I'm not talking about his right to be here, he's still here, I didn't say ban him, but personally I think he's an idiot to the fullest meaning of the word, and as a free person on a free board, I have the right to be intolerant of what he spews from his filthy little mind.

Trying to force us to be tolerant of him, is worse than us speaking out about his insufferable behavior anyway, in my opinion.

[Cayo Hueso]

I don't think anyone's trying to force you to be tolerant of anything, except the fact that the posts are going to be there.  You can't get around that unless he IS banned and you said that's not what you want.  Speak out against him all you want.  Just understand that quite a bit of the time you will just be perpetuating it all.

Respond to what you think is important.  Ignore what you think is not.  The best way to keep important discussions going on here, if that's what you're after, is to participate in and start those discussions.  Logic dictates that the more you respond to those discussions and the less you respond to what you consider to be trash, then you'll get what you want and others will get what they want.  Sounds fair to me.

War is God?s way of teaching Americans geography.

--Ambrose Bierce (died 1914)