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« Reply #270 on: June 23, 2004, 07:34:00 PM »
Specifically, I would like to know when and where this next meeting in August will be?  

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« Reply #271 on: June 23, 2004, 08:20:00 PM »
Thank you for taking an interest. What caught your attention? I just have to ask cause I've always wondered. So many people saw what was going on w/ The Seed and Straight; teachers, neighboring businesses, neighbors; but no one ever intervened. I just have to wonder what all those people were thinking. Maybe you can shed some light on that?

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« Reply #272 on: June 23, 2004, 09:36:00 PM »
Thanks, K,

If you can keep posting to this board we'll be able to keep up with the schedule of things.

Had I been aware of the meeting, I surely would have attended; in fact, I'm told I was on the agenda and scheduled to speak, but I was totally uninformed of that before the fact...

thanks again!
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« Reply #273 on: June 23, 2004, 10:03:00 PM »
Bump ...

Where and When is the next Meeting in August?
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« Reply #274 on: June 24, 2004, 12:37:00 AM »
To Cherish Wisdom
I am so very sorry for what your child went through. We know all to well that the programs
are not shut down when they are in violation.
M.L.S.A. the home where Anson was killed was shut down, but they are trying to open
a Rtc in a four plex in a different part of town
which would be a 22 bed facility. The problem is they could possibly open it because it is not the
same house that was in violation. I think that they should never be able to open another program
again. The only thing that we may have going for Cedar city is that we were able to draft a new  ordinance and the new site does not meet zoning.
As for the meeting in August we do not know a date or time but it is in the capitol building in SLC
When I get any info about time and date I will post it. I am also wondering how you know that
Anson was lamenting about the treatment of the children in the program? As residents of Cedar we went before our city council 2 years ago
to ask that something be done about where these
programs were setting up shop,and about what was going on in these facilities and at the time we
stated that it was not if but when something tragic happened it would be to late. Because it was only a mater of time, now we must do all that we can to make sure this never happens again.
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« Reply #275 on: June 24, 2004, 01:42:00 AM »
We do not know when the next meeting in August will be but you can log onto the states web site at le.utah.gov and see when the meeting will be, it is currently not on the schedule. And soon you should be able to access minutes to the last meeting. You could contact Sen. Tom Hatch's office to find out about the work group that is working on the presentation.
 
Did somebody want to know how i got involved or was that to someone else? let me know.
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« Reply #276 on: June 24, 2004, 03:52:00 AM »
Citizens of Cedar City: I'd like to commend you for your activism in trying to bring necessary reforms to the teen industry in Utah. Some children are being tortured and abused in these programs and they have no way to report this to the authorities. Rules and regulations that have been established for safety of children and staff are routinely violated. More must be done to prevent this and give these children a way to report violations and abuse.  
I obtained hospital records. On one document alone there were three violations of Utah Core Rules.  The core rules state that isolation can not be used for more than four hours unless a child is evaluated by a physician. The staff must try less drastic measures first and the isolation can not extend past normal sleeping hours.  On day three of my mentally ill daughter's stay at Provo Canyon School six staff members bodily stripped her and restrained her and forced her to stay in a small, cold, concrete room from 1800 until 0130. On the document there are boxes to check indicated that staff tried less drastic measures first - like therapeutic comunication. NONE of these boxes were checked off. So on this one form three rules were broken - she was isolated for nearly 8 hours instead of 4 and it was past bedtime - 1:30 am.  This is commonplace. She was later isolated for an entire week without notifying us. This was also a violation - parents are to be notified of isolation in excess of 24 hours (this must be ordered by an MD) Here again there are 6 violation - excessive time, past bedtime, no less drastic measures used, no MD evaluation, no notification of parents.  All of this was reported to CPS, Licensing, DHS, and the Attorney General and to date - nothing has been done.  This is documented - not a he said, she said situation.  YOUR GOVERNMENT DID NOTHING, as far as I know.  Many other parents do not go to bat for their kids who are abused. Some would care less or are led to believe that it is somehow necessary for their recovery.
These rules are in place for a reason - to prevent child abuse.  The rules regarding staffing are there to prevent what happend to Anson.  Escape attempts are commonplace for many reasons.   Some of the kids are drug needy and addicted. Some are being abused. Some have mental illness and are being abused either physically, emotionally, verbally or psychologically.  As we've seen with Anson - they can be desparate enough to severly injure or even kill a person who stands in their way of freedom.  This will happen again if rules continue to be violated. In the case of Aaron Bacon who died as a result of extreme negligence, cruelty, starvation and exposure to the cold, many rules were violated.  Only one of those responsible served jail time - three months.  
More must be done. Unfortunatly many in leadership postitions are reluctant to kill the goose that gives the golden political donations. See for yourselves at: http://www.opensecrets.org
Look up the Lichfields of St. George and you will see what I'm talking about.  You can also plug in other names of administrators and owners of teen programs.  Look up Rober Crist - administrator of Provo Canyon School.  I think you will get the picture......
Best Wishes to all of you and keep working for reform. This must become a topic of discussion until it is resolved.  

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« Reply #277 on: June 24, 2004, 04:54:00 AM »
16 programs operating in Cedar City alone is proof positive that this industry is out-of-control and has been since 1990 when Michelle Sutton died from dehydration. The very idea of permitting group homes for troubled teens to operate in residential neighborhoods is as insane as letting wilderness therapy programs set up base camps out in the middle of nowhere. The problem is this is a high-revenue business and too many people have their finger in the pie to expect meaningful reform.  Second, there is a fatal flaw in the teen help industry at large and that flaw has nothing to do with rules and regulations.  It has to do with PARENTS and the fact that they are the best and only defense against the maltreatment of their children.  Shipping kids off to programs and schools SIGHT UNSEEN is the rule, not the exception, with the majority of parents who use these facilities to warehouse their troubled (or troublesome) teens.
How you regulate bad parents, is the real question.
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« Reply #278 on: June 24, 2004, 11:21:00 PM »
I don't know if I'd put all of the blame on the parents. Many of them are desparate - their kids are suicidal, depressed, cutting, involved in gangs, drugs, sex, and so forth. Now counselors and therapists are routinely refering desparate parents of troubled teens to use residential care. They give them brochers and help them make calls until they find one with openings. The program then suggests that the parents hire an escort and convince them that this is the safest thing to do.  The parents do not know that the facility is in a residential neighborhood.  They believe what they see on the brochers and internet sits. Look up Maximum Life Skills Academy. Is there any indication that this facility is in a residential neighborhood?  There are pictures of boys hiking and canoeing - with big smiles on their faces. It looks like a summer camp or ranch.  This industry is fraudulent and the government supports and defends the fraud.

Parents are the consumers of this industry. I'd like to encourage all of them to bring their children home and refuse to subject them to this fraud and harm.  Unfortunately this will not happen soon.  Most people are not aware of the dangers of this industry. It's hard to believe that there are 16 teen programs in Cedar City. Does anyone have a list?  How many are in the Provo/Orem area?  

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« Reply #279 on: June 25, 2004, 12:16:00 AM »
***It's hard to believe that there are 16 teen programs in Cedar City. Does anyone have a list? How many are in the Provo/Orem area?

Licensed programs listed here:
http://www.hslic.utah.gov/rs-yp-d.asp
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« Reply #280 on: June 25, 2004, 01:46:00 AM »
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No Cherish Wisdom, children are the consumers of this industry and the ones paying the biggest price of all.

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« Reply #281 on: June 25, 2004, 02:31:00 PM »
I did a search on the Utah licensing site. It look like there are only 5 licensed youth facilities in Cedar City. There are others that are located elsewhere and use a Cedar City address for mail.
Some of the facilities do  not list their actual address.  Here are the five in Cedar City and their CEO's:

Integrity House (Ceo - Daniel Taylor) Capacity 23
FEMALE age 12 -17. Location not disclosed. Mail goes to 465 W 1600 N Cedar City

Moonridge Academy (Ceo - Scott Davis) Capacity 16
FEMALE age 11-17. Location not disclosed. Mail to 9450 West 2400 South CC.

Rocky Mountain Youth Services- Cedar Valley Ranch (Ceo - Gigi Allred - she is also listed as the ADMINISTRATOR of Rocky Mountain Youth Services - Lakeview Group home in Provo [cap 15 Female] and she is listed as the ADMINISTRATOR of Timpview Group Home in Lindon Utah [cap 15 males])
The Capacity of CVR is 15 Males age 12-17

Horizon House - located at 54 North 200 East, CC -
Exec Director is Paul Thorpe - Cap: 18 Adults

Eagle Quest Treatment - 91 North 1850 West, CC,
Paul Thorpe is listed as Exec Director.  Capacity of 9 Males age 12-17

These are the only facilities that are licensed and identified. Perhaps the other 10 are not licensed yet.  

There are a few people who are listed as directors of more than one facility in the CC and PROVO areas:

GIGI ALLRED - 2 in Provo and 1 in CC
JOSEPH WOODWARD - 5 in the Provo Area
RICHARD LOOSE - 2 in the Provo Area
LARRY LINDE - 2 in the Provo Area
MARK MEGREGGOR - 2 in the Provo Area
PATRICK BEACHLEY - 3 in the Provo Area
BARRY WOODWARD - 3 in the Provo Area (Provo Canyon School CEO)
LAMAR EYRE - 3 in Provo Area

Parents are the consumers of this industry because they PAY for it. The children are the victims of this industry because they suffer from it.  [ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-06-25 11:40 ]
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« Reply #282 on: June 26, 2004, 12:21:00 AM »
You missed alot if you only looked under residential treatment. Some groups classify themselves as outpatient care or residential care or others, these people are very tricky. Praxis youth quest has a center with girls and they are listed next to the family support center in residential care, a non-profit , state run center that helps parents with day care type facility so the parents can go to doctors or job interviews or just a stress break. totally different that a group home. The state office of licensing said in the meeting we had in Cedar in may that there were currently 16 in Cedar, you just have to know what the group home classifies itself under.
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« Reply #283 on: June 26, 2004, 12:30:00 AM »
FYI:
On the legislative calander it shows that the interim committee meeting day is August 18th. So the next meeting will most likely be on that day.
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« Reply #284 on: June 26, 2004, 12:36:00 AM »
Interesting. I also looked up facilities in the Utah Valley area and saw that some of them that were located in Spanish Fork/ Linden and Provo gave Cedar City mail addresses. Why do they do this?  Some do not give their location address. Perhaps it's because they are in residential neighborhoods.  I can see how this can be troubling.  Especially when some of these youth are scared and may do irrational feats in an effort to break free.  
Provo Canyon School's Orem campus is also next to an upscale neighborhood consisting of homes that would cost about 2 million dollars in So. California. Apparently the children are not allowed out for any length of time.  It's not like the brocher that shows girls in gym suits playing volleyball outside. At PCS there is very little space for activities.  

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