another episode

[Anonymous]

What makes you such an expert? Without knowing a diagnosis? What credentials do you have? Clearly you do not have any in depth knowledge of mental illness. Clearly you are not aware that some individuals who suffer from mental illness have life long difficulties. I can only blame your lack of compassion on your ignorance. Otherwise I'm confused. What does it matter to you if someone shows compassion. I don't think you have to worry about that person posting again with the kind of response received. I suppose anyone who is educated in some of the illnesses you mentioned would clearly know you are simply not coming from an educated, knowledgeable perspective. Get the facts before you start spewing your opinions as truth.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-08 15:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What makes you such an expert? Without knowing a diagnosis? What credentials do you have? Clearly you do not have any in depth knowledge of mental illness. Clearly you are not aware that some individuals who suffer from mental illness have life long difficulties. I can only blame your lack of compassion on your ignorance. Otherwise I'm confused. What does it matter to you if someone shows compassion. I don't think you have to worry about that person posting again with the kind of response received. I suppose anyone who is educated in some of the illnesses you mentioned would clearly know you are simply not coming from an educated, knowledgeable perspective. Get the facts before you start spewing your opinions as truth."

My opinion is a very educated one, and I not only speak from this educated perspective, but from my own experience as well.

Unless the diagnosis is a terminal mental illness, such as schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder, there is not even a need for the use of  medication! In cases such as depression, or other mentioned PTSD, BPD, or GAD, (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) not only is there hope for recovery, but it is taught to the patients that these disorders debilitate, that they have more control than they may realize, as hopeless as they may feel, it is up to the choices they make, for to change come.  From coping methods with anxiety attacks, to self nurturing when having harmful thoughts.

Saying they are debilitated for life is giving them an excuse to stay stuck. What a horrible thing to affirm to people who feel hopeless anyway!

[Anonymous]

"for change to come."

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-03 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

" you people are such fucking losers,all these years and you are still crying ABUSE! Get over it already! Why don`t you morons use this sight to reconnect with old groupies maybe even find a mate. No wonder theres so many anon. posting, same reason as me,this is not a place of hope and healing and connecting. All you do is bitch and moan, this is an embarasement,I would never give my name or be known as a frequent poster. You people just keep each other sick!!!!!!!!!!"

Is that you Virgil? Tony? Ruth Ann? I believe you are the sick ones.

[Anonymous]

Oh, let's not go through this again.  No it's not really Virgil, Mel, Ruthie or Freddy Kreuger.  :roll:  someone's just tryin' to fuck with ya.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-08 15:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-03-08 15:21:00, Anonymous wrote:


"What makes you such an expert? Without knowing a diagnosis? What credentials do you have? Clearly you do not have any in depth knowledge of mental illness. Clearly you are not aware that some individuals who suffer from mental illness have life long difficulties. I can only blame your lack of compassion on your ignorance. Otherwise I'm confused. What does it matter to you if someone shows compassion. I don't think you have to worry about that person posting again with the kind of response received. I suppose anyone who is educated in some of the illnesses you mentioned would clearly know you are simply not coming from an educated, knowledgeable perspective. Get the facts before you start spewing your opinions as truth."

My opinion is a very educated one, and I not only speak from this educated perspective, but from my own experience as well.



Unless the diagnosis is a terminal mental illness, such as schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder, there is not even a need for the use of  medication! In cases such as depression, or other mentioned PTSD, BPD, or GAD, (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) not only is there hope for recovery, but it is taught to the patients that these disorders debilitate, that they have more control than they may realize, as hopeless as they may feel, it is up to the choices they make, for to change come.  From coping methods with anxiety attacks, to self nurturing when having harmful thoughts.



Saying they are debilitated for life is giving them an excuse to stay stuck. What a horrible thing to affirm to people who feel hopeless anyway! "

-The key word here is "opinion."
  Hopefully this individual will have enough  
  sense to ignore you.

- Of course there is hope for recovery. How
  silly. Now, who said there wasn't?

-Actually your information regarding PTSD,
 BPD, or GAD, (Generalized Anxiety Disorder)
 is quite inaccurate and simple research  
 would confirm this.

- Of course behavior modifications are a part
  of the process, no one argued this. The  
  information you claim to be "educated" about
  is  actually quite inaccurate. I find it very
  dangerous for you or anyone else to make    
  statements under the guise of someone
  who is an expert or has been educated with
  formal training, professional experience and
  board certification and licensure. I'm hoping
  people will just take it with a grain of salt. I
  just wish you would consider what you are
  saying, do a little research and get the
  facts straight.

-I don't believe I can find any post here which
  has mentioned that this or any other
  individual should "stay stuck" or that they will
  be "debilitated for life" Could you please point
  these out? I'm confused.

-I'm confused how your personal experience
  reflects on the experiences of someone you have never met before and who only posted once here. I always find this amusing. I also find it amusing that others so easily assume that their experiences mirror another persons
without know more than a morsel about them.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-08 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-03-04 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2004-03-04 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:



" I have dreams that one day you people who are approaching middle age will stop pointing your fingers at everyone who "wronged you" like spoiled little brats, and realize how much of this is self imposed."

I have a dream that instead of putting people down for their problems and insulting them people like you would find compassion and love in your hearts.





I had a dream that you did some research on PTSD and the effects it has on the brain and body chemically and hormonally.





I have a dream that you didn't miss out on an education because of kids and you might be educated enough to stop spewing stupidity.





Peace!


"

And recovering from things like PTSD, BPD, and other anxiety ridden disorders takes a PERSONAL CHOICE TO CHANGE. There's no magic pill, no time period, JUST YOU.



Therapy is offered in every state, through the state. Take the actions necessary to change your own lives.



It's the difference between self-imposed suffering or inner peace. It's just frustrating to see people give up, and in turn defeat themselves!  



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Not sure why you've got your panties in such a bunch.

"Therapy is offered in every state, through the state. " What??

No one here has given up honey. What on earth are you talking about.

One person was depressed. I see people here trying to offer hope and you are angry, frustrated, insulting. Did you misunderstand something in these posts?

I wish some people that I know with BPD and others would do some personal changing and  they surely would benefit from some behavior modifications. What that has to do with how this thread started I'm not sure. There is no magic pill, but are you denying that some individuals actually need medication to treat their illness and symptoms? Are you denying that BPD and PTSD as well as Anxiety disorders do not take a great deal of work and time to resolve? Perhaps this is wishful thinking on your part. Perhaps you weren't aware that every individual is different.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-09 19:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-03-08 15:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2004-03-08 15:21:00, Anonymous wrote:



"What makes you such an expert? Without knowing a diagnosis? What credentials do you have? Clearly you do not have any in depth knowledge of mental illness. Clearly you are not aware that some individuals who suffer from mental illness have life long difficulties. I can only blame your lack of compassion on your ignorance. Otherwise I'm confused. What does it matter to you if someone shows compassion. I don't think you have to worry about that person posting again with the kind of response received. I suppose anyone who is educated in some of the illnesses you mentioned would clearly know you are simply not coming from an educated, knowledgeable perspective. Get the facts before you start spewing your opinions as truth."

My opinion is a very educated one, and I not only speak from this educated perspective, but from my own experience as well.





Unless the diagnosis is a terminal mental illness, such as schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder, there is not even a need for the use of  medication! In cases such as depression, or other mentioned PTSD, BPD, or GAD, (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) not only is there hope for recovery, but it is taught to the patients that these disorders debilitate, that they have more control than they may realize, as hopeless as they may feel, it is up to the choices they make, for to change come.  From coping methods with anxiety attacks, to self nurturing when having harmful thoughts.





Saying they are debilitated for life is giving them an excuse to stay stuck. What a horrible thing to affirm to people who feel hopeless anyway! "

-The key word here is "opinion."

  Hopefully this individual will have enough  

  sense to ignore you.



- Of course there is hope for recovery. How

  silly. Now, who said there wasn't?



-Actually your information regarding PTSD,

 BPD, or GAD, (Generalized Anxiety Disorder)

 is quite inaccurate and simple research  

 would confirm this.



- Of course behavior modifications are a part

  of the process, no one argued this. The  

  information you claim to be "educated" about

  is  actually quite inaccurate. I find it very

  dangerous for you or anyone else to make    

  statements under the guise of someone

  who is an expert or has been educated with

  formal training, professional experience and

  board certification and licensure. I'm hoping

  people will just take it with a grain of salt. I

  just wish you would consider what you are

  saying, do a little research and get the

  facts straight.



-I don't believe I can find any post here which

  has mentioned that this or any other

  individual should "stay stuck" or that they will

  be "debilitated for life" Could you please point

  these out? I'm confused.



-I'm confused how your personal experience

  reflects on the experiences of someone you have never met before and who only posted once here. I always find this amusing. I also find it amusing that others so easily assume that their experiences mirror another persons

without know more than a morsel about them.



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I'm getting tired of responding to this.

1) I offered MY OPINION, that is educated and experienced in this area. I never said it was the only way. There is no ONLY WAY. Everyone is individual. Some people take medications to ease the transition while in therapy. Some may have been abusing alcohol, drugs, or food for many years. I NEVER SAID THIS APPLIED TO EVERYONE. I wasn't the one to bring up PTSD, in the first place either. I did bring the other disorders up afterwards, though.

2) "Debilitated for life" ? quote --  That was said by another  anonymous poster. My response was that these are not life long debilitating disorders. They can be, but only if you let them. You basically agreed with me here, where?s the argument?

3) "Staying stuck" ? quote --  It's easy to get stuck in thinking things will never get better. I was simply saying that having a mentality where, you are willing to think that PTSD, BPD, and/or GADs are life long debilitating mental illnesses, is a way of staying stuck in behaviors that increase despair.  Again, what?s wrong with saying this?

Further, I never posted under any guise, and I've done plenty of research. What I wrote was meant to be taken with a hopeful message attached. I  trust that the original thread starter was able to see that, although I was never directly addressing them.

[Anonymous]

"No one here has given up honey. What on earth are you talking about." --quote-- Hurray! According to you, no-one has given up! That's wonderful, glad to hear it! What's wrong with simply saying, "Don't give up, there's always hope!" huh? (Is it your problem with not liking to be told what to do, even if it's a good thing?) I think so.

Man, stop being so defensive, people! *Hands out chill pills*

[Cayo Hueso]

Christ people!!!  Get OVER yourselves.  Go back and look at how this thread was started.  Someone posted who was in pain.  Now you're arguing about what is the best way to 'help'? Or what the best thing is to say?  

To the original poster:  DO NOT GIVE UP.  We ALL feel or felt like you do at times.  This site can bring back a lot of bad memories and trigger some fairly intense nightmares.  There doesn't seem to be a way around them, for me, I had to go through them.  Posting here CAN be helpful, you just have to sift through some of the other stuff. Talk to SOMEONE though and understand that you aren't alone in this.  We've all gone through it and it does pass.

If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-10 07:32:00, cayohueso wrote:

"Christ people!!!  Get OVER yourselves.  Go back and look at how this thread was started.  Someone posted who was in pain.  Now you're arguing about what is the best way to 'help'? Or what the best thing is to say?  



To the original poster:  DO NOT GIVE UP.  We ALL feel or felt like you do at times.  This site can bring back a lot of bad memories and trigger some fairly intense nightmares.  There doesn't seem to be a way around them, for me, I had to go through them.  Posting here CAN be helpful, you just have to sift through some of the other stuff. Talk to SOMEONE though and understand that you aren't alone in this.  We've all gone through it and it does pass.

If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!

"

Thank you, and that's exactly what I was saying. We've all been there, in one form or another. You do have the power to get past this, you'll be okay, don't give up hope.  ::heart::

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-10 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:



Thank you, and that's exactly what I was saying. We've all been there, in one form or another. You do have the power to get past this, you'll be okay, don't give up hope.  ::heart:: "

Great if that's what you were trying to say, but it was a little difficult to tell in between the arguing about HOW to help.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-01 11:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

make it go away how do i make it stop there is no escape for me i wish i were dead.

Balance it out with other, usually better, experiences. Take up some kind of hobby. Whatever it is, it will require paraphanelia of some kind so you'll have to go to stores or swap meets or somewhere and interact w/ other ppl who share the same interest. And it's a structured interaction, so that's safe enough, w/ the opportunity to hang out and interact w/ ppl on another level, purely at your whim and desire.

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

People: Let's remember where the tone of this thread changed.

On 2004-03-03 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

" you people are such fucking losers...

I don't think any of us out here are experts and I'm not sure where the need to prove some expertise is coming from. Offering support and hope might be more productive.

Don't ya think?

[Anonymous]

What kind of experts do we have here? Senior Staff?