Whitmore Academy in Utah?

[caitlynloggins]

You know what, it just might be a good thing. It'll prove everyone wrong who says these terrible things about us, and they will see that we really are different from the others.
I'm sorry you feel so upset about these lies, and I just hope you'll eventually see the truth; the real truth.

[Anonymous]

Those brave students who have the wisdom and nerve to tell the truth do not need to speak in slogans.  They are free from the mind-twisters who demand that they beat and punish their fellow students. They know that police officers are FRIENDS not "pigs" or "cops" as the Sudweeks allow their students to call them.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-03 11:53:00, caitlynloggins wrote:

"That is my actual thought. It is just written censored as to not scar the minds of any innocent audiences.

I don't expect you to understand that, though, especially if you were one of those cussing up a storm earlier."

I understand all too well.  Lived it for many years.  For the record I was not one of those that was cussing up a storm.  When I saw you respond with such cult-speak I had to speak up.  Opening your discussion with program cliches when debating with someone who believes the program is dangerous may not be the approach you want to take if you're seriously trying to discuss the issue.  Then your haughty response of "I don't expect you to understand" speaks volumes about you.

[Anonymous]

Whitmore does not offer "LOVE" It is ruled through fear...through physical abuse STUDENT ON STUDENT....why do you think the Mission Statement refers to these students as "warriors?"

This is a crime....and thank goodness it is being investigated as SUCH!

[Anonymous]

How can parents expect professional help for their children at Whitmore when all the "GROUP SESSIONS" are led by Cheryl Sudweeks who IS NOT a therapist.  She only has a high school education!!!!! (maybe)

[Anonymous]

CHILDREN:  why are you letting someone use you to speak such anger at a person when you did not see the events of which you speak?  Do you not recognize mind-control?  Let's hope this person that is feeding your mind now never ever turns ON YOU!!!!!!!

[chrisgentile]

Actually, the event that you speak of was personally witnessed by several students. AND the event that started everything was witnessed by the entire group.
- chris
p.s. I am not hateful to anyone, and I am certainly not programized. I can still honestly say that I would never send my child to a program, but if I had to, I'd send them to where I am right now. I also believe that almost all problems can be worked out in the home. I can, however, understand that some parents simply cant, or feel that they cant, just do it on their own. There will always be the need and demand for programs. Why not let the good ones stand?

Why are we talking about the Whitmore? Many students, including myself were beaten, tortured, and isolated at Ivy Ridge I think, if anything, this is a more worthy topic then talking about supposed abuse to us here.

Please focus your concerns on worthy causes. I can't stress this enough. While you waste your time on us, kids are being beaten and isolated in little rooms without their parents having a clue.

[caitlynloggins]

Mind control? Yeah, right. You're the one who sounds like the robot here. All you do is go on and on about how bad (you think) it is here, and what terrible things (you think) go on... aren't you 'programmed' to say/think anything else?
I think you're programmed. It didn't take a facility to do it, either; you programmed this stuff into your own mind.
It doesn't pay to focus on bad things.

And by the way... I saw the event or evidence of it in everything I've said to be truth here.

-a child  :lol:

[caitlynloggins]

On 2004-12-03 14:33:00, chrisgentile wrote:

"p.s. I am not hateful to anyone, and I am certainly not programized. I can still honestly say that I would never send my child to a program, but if I had to, I'd send them to where I am right now. I also believe that almost all problems can be worked out in the home. I can, however, understand that some parents simply cant, or feel that they cant, just do it on their own. There will always be the need and demand for programs. Why not let the good ones stand?

Well said, Chris; I agree completely.
Most programs, I know, are horrible. They abuse kids physically, mentally, and sometimes even sexually. Kids are nothing but objects to them. I understand why you would assume this about all programs because of such a high percent of others being terrible. However, you must know that this one is different, and I will stand by that. I know my friends will, too.
I don't know why you're getting so fired up about your accusations towards us. We're getting defensive because it's like a second home to us; at least, that's how I feel. Why don't you just calm down, tell us who you are, and why you're so mad, offensive? Then maybe we could understand better where you're coming from. You've obviously had some misinformation, and we'd like to correct that, if that's all right.

[caitlynloggins]

Actually, you know what? I really don't want to waste any more time, energy, or thoughts on all this crap, so goodbye.
I am sorry I cannot say it was a pleasent experience. ::puke::

A bientot. :wave:

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-03 09:53:00, caitlynloggins wrote:



About the 3am thing, group ends around midnight at the very latest. I've seen a few go later than that, yes; a few. No more than that.

then

Bedtime is 10:00pm.

So the last two hours (or more) of rap time consists of getting ready and going to bed?

Your story don't jive, madam. It just don't.

In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn?t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-03 09:59:00, caitlynloggins wrote:

Yeah, since you know them personally and everything.  

It's seems quite amusing that you keep bringing up child abuse, or CHILD ABUSE, when you've been accused of it three times. Am I right? We saw you abuse your daughter. We have so many witnesses. What (false) witnesses do you have, huh? I'd love to count them. Usually, there is much strength in numbers in case you didn't know.

Some people are such idiots.
Oh, excuse me... I meant PEOPLE.

You obviously have no idea who you're talking to. That was not the mother of the kid who got pulled recently. But, of course, you know what they say about assuming. Yeah, they said exactly the same thing in the various warehouses in Florida 20 and 30 years ago; word for word. Makes ya' wonder exactly what the connections are between these seemingly different programs, huh?

You assume that the people who are telling of subtle psyche abuse (sleep deprivation, involuntary group discussio of sensitive, personal matters, etc.) are outsiders. What if they're not? What if they're fairly recent former 'students' who want to remain anonymous because they're still scared shitless of you people? It's actually not at all uncomon for graduates to post anon because they don't want to disrupt their family relationships by telling their parent the truth about what happened to them.

It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-03 10:47:00, KyleMcEvoy wrote:

or if you wish, spend
some alone time to think about what you've been saying
about our program.

Um, excuse me. You must have me mixed up w/ someone else. I haven't made any statements about Whitmore. I have asked questions. I know that may make some of you uncomfortable. But I'm not making any statements about the place because I don't have any firsthand experience with it. My whole aim here is to encourage meaningful discussion among those who do have firsthand information and those who are interested to know.

Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived.
--Oscar Wilde

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-03 10:47:00, KyleMcEvoy wrote:

 Who would send their own kid to jail for not getting in a car?

Right. So much better to just hire a couple of thugs to come w/ handcuffs and drugs...  :roll:


But we digress. I still would like to know how you go about getting rebellious, oppositional, defiant teens to melt into a shimmering pool of love as you say you do. What happens when a kid gets there who simply refuses to give or accept your love bombing? Do you kick them out after a time? Or do you have some method for convincing them to join in the love-fest?

Serious question. Note that I haven't made any statements about how you might go about this cause I don't know. I'm asking a question. Please answer. I'm dying to know how this is done.

History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author

[chrisgentile]

Hi Antigen,
You bring up a great point. Meaningful conversation from those with first hand knowledge. I must say, the only folks here that I've seen with this said knowledge would be the kids past and present, and the parents past and present. The only confirmed parent I've seen on this board is Karen, whom I've personally met. She came and visitied us earlier this week all the way from Michigan. Her son is a friend of mine.

I'm sorry, but in my books, you're information means nil if there's no name backing it up, especially when I know how things are.
chris