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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2004, 01:56:00 PM »
If Carey is a liar than what is Sue Scheff? As PURE as the driven snow?  Guess we'll soon find out as this case works its way through the legal system where these allegations against Ginger/Fornits/Bock will be tested against law, not public opinion.  

BTW Froderick, do you even know what the lawsuit is about or is that second to your fixation with Carey Bock as a liar and any and everybody else who is reserving judgment until sworn testimony (depositions) are at least taken is a dickhead?
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2004, 03:15:00 PM »
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If Carey is a liar than what is Sue Scheff? As PURE as the driven snow? Guess we'll soon find out as this case works its way through the legal system where these allegations against Ginger/Fornits/Bock will be tested against law, not public opinion.

Damned straight! I'm happy to leave it at that. As for the 2nd question...I know what it's about, and I guess I already answered the next part of that...
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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2004, 03:16:00 PM »
That was me, and by the "next part of that" I was referring to your very last question there..
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2004, 04:51:00 PM »
Froderick, don't get me wrong.  It's not that I think you are a fucking idiot all of the time. Just when it comes to pulling Bock's chain over and over, like you've got nothing better to do. If that's the case and you really are bored outta your mind, ask the PURE volunteers to prove to you and everybody else that they and Sue Scheff have never ever ducked a question, stretched the truth or downright lied.  I believe that would be the fair and equitable thing to do as long as you are so intent on doggin Carey's ass.  Deal? I mean, let's cut to the chase and demand some proof from these blowhard Purists that their M.O. really is all about "saving kids" as opposed to maybe saving their own ass b/c right now, it don't exactly look that way to me.  

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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2004, 06:42:00 PM »
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"guess I should correct that comment.  I don't think she has solely selfish reasons, I'm sure she wants to help her children.  As a parent, I don't doubt that...BUT......it seems, again - to ME....that there's a little self-righteousness or martyrdom playing into this, like she's the only one who is so pure (no pun intended) in her motivations and she's the sole light for all these kids.  SHE'S NOT.....there are a lot of others of us out here who are fighting for these kids too....we just choose to do it differently than Carey."


Carey, listen up.  Anon is speaking about what appears to be a pattern in both the tone of your posts and your motivation in sharing how your experience with PURE (and others?) has hurt you and your children.  Anon is right, there are many people who believe the industry is out-of-control and are trying to do something about that for the sake of the children who are the true victims of residential treatment abuse.  Your personal cause is a noble one but remember, it is based on your opinions and beliefs and while people may support some or all of your expressed goals and objectives, it is still YOUR credibility that is very much on the line when it comes to the big picture. To be fair, the impact of months of vicious personal attacks, veiled threats and other spiteful and/or meanspirited posts should be taken into account.  Hopefully, that will subside in the near future as it really serves no viable purpose other than to throw grease on an already hot fire.  Best wishes and good luck.  Lawsuits are no fun but I'm glad you have a lawyer that you apparently have confidence in for the reasons you (or someone else) cited in another post.
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2004, 10:35:00 PM »
If her motivation had anything to do with saving the children and not her own ass or revenge or the sound of her own voice she would not side with the other agressor here.

Carey does not know what it is like to fight a true fight and stand on her own. She has never been in a program she is not a survivor she is not a product of the program. She knows nothing of it. Subjecting your child to a program does not make you a survivor and nothting in this world will ever convince me that it does.

Proof positive turn the heat on Carey the "Activist" in her runs to WWASP to get and lawyer. Who could anyone run to in the wilderness programs? Who could the run to Casa who could we run to in Straight? No where to no one. We had nothing. We had the restraints no civil rights nothing. Carey wouldn't make it. She would be a statistic.  

We get shit for being agessive...people give Frodrick shit for being the way he is, people give me shit for being the way I am...agressive confrontational, you made us this way. Your program designed us.

Aren't you proud of your creation?

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.  
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2004, 12:17:00 AM »
You make some good points, Kaydeejaded.  Only a suvivor can know how it really feels to be trapped in an institutionalized style program ruled by fear and intimidation. But if it is one thing Carey has done that has the potential to spare kids from ending up in an abusive specialty school or program it is to raise public awareness about the highly lucrative self-regulated business of private-placement referrals. This whole idea of programs paying for referrals stinks to high heaven.  The practice should be banned but I'm afraid that will not happen anytime soon unless the mainstream media gets wind of this relatively unknown cottage industry and starts to sniff around.  Believe me, there are plenty of stories kids and their parents can tell about their dubious experience with an ed con (fees for their referral recommendations paid for by parents) or one of these independent referral services (fees for placement referrals paid by the program or school). Since Carey has made it clear from the get-go that she believes she and her boys were hurt/harmed by their experience with PURE, I don't see that she has misled anyone about her intentions.  Second, since none of us know what really went on, how can we know what it feels like to be in her shoes? Maybe Carey has good reason to fight fire with fire when it comes to defending herself against the lawsuit brought by PURE?  We just can't be 100% certain of anything until the facts begin to emerge through sworn testimony obtained from the litigants, themselves.
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
Anon,

 You make Carey's goals sound so honorable.

The reality from my limited personal experience differs from what you offer as truth.

AS a prior trekker and Pure Volunteer I can attest to the fact our purpose is not to promote one program over the other,but to shed light on our personal experiences with wwasp. We all have  experienced wwasp.

That was, has always been my purpose.

My purpose while a Program parent was also to share what I believed to be the excellance of the program.

When I learned the truth,after I finally had an opportunity to speak with and see my child, I was appalled at the reality of the situation.

Its convient to scapegoat Pure, when the reality the purpose is to prevent others from being harmed or scammned.

Our personal experience may differ from others,but it is what we experienced .It is our moral, ethical responsibility to share that experience. As long as it is true and honest.

It is true and honest. Its also very very sad to have gone through this experience at the expense of my child's emotional health.

Now I am Mad.

It's not as sinister as it is made out to be.

I won't comment on Cary's needs. I don't consider that my problem.

I dont have any imput on referral fees other than to share that I paid Struggling teens $1,200
for a referral,for four hrs of telephone counseling . At that time I was told my sons behavior was  most likely due to the TRAUMA he experienced in Jamaica. No one on the BBS had shared that possibility.......

Do you all know Struggling Teens advertises WWASP on the back of their news letter? Apparently they know the truth about wwasp but they continue to promote, accept the advertising dollars. Where is the integrity in that?

Pure has taken risks in standing up for what they believe. They are being sued.We all have been threatened to be sued(thanks to Carey for sharing).

To suggest it is about referral fees is scapegoating. Nothing more or less.

The answer lies in obtaining oversight protection,  legislation which is our goal.To put into place protection from abusive Speciality schools and residential treatment centers etc.

My goal is to enlighten parents.

I wish someone had had the courage to tell me their negative experience when I was seeking help for our family crisis. I was told pretty lies.

You folks have the power ,use it.....
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2004, 01:35:00 PM »
Nice publicity stunt, Anon, but really, you shouldn't have bothered because nobody with half a brain is buying this unmitigated B.S.  The fact is programs who pay commissions for referrals to people whose only experience is they "once were a WWASPS parent" are guilty of the worst kind of profiteering. Second, this blatant attempt to sugarcoat your role in this dirty business is so disgusting, I can only wonder if there is a detergent strong enough to .... well, I'm sure everybody gets the picture here.  Federal regulations, my ass.  Like that can even happen fast enough to stop kids from ending up in a program based on the referral of some so-called "professional parent".  Who the hell do you think you are kidding here?

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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2004, 02:05:00 PM »
Maybe the PURE parent volunteer would like to  "enlighten" all of us as to why he/she sees nothing wrong with posting on a forum that is the target of a lawsuit brought by PURE.  Think you can handle answering a direct question Anon?  You know, show us just how "moral" and "ethical" you really are?  Come on now, pretty please with a cherry on top?????

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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2004, 04:23:00 PM »
You know, there is obviously a WWASPie/or Carey herself trying to prove a point here. Dont you see yet, this is not about Pure/Sue/Volunterrs or any of that crap. It is about Carey's hatred of what she thinks Pure/Trekkers/Sue or whoever did to her. She forgets WWASPS is Dundee, or just simply doesnt get it. But a year ago she did.  The WWASPie/Carey is trying to be nice to Kaydee and Frod and then strokes the Girl Interrupted, Carey. You just dont get it. WWASPS is using Pure, WWASPS is using Carey all to distract from the real story. Fraud, abuse etc. Carey is simply falling for the whole thing, all because she hates so violently that she is not on top, not the focus, and lost her 15 minutes of fame.
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2004, 04:37:00 PM »
Oh, I do believe everyone deserves a fair trial and fair legal reprentation, but why would someone that proclaims to want to help kids and this industry go to a lawyer that supports one of the leading programs of this so called abuse? Not only that, left his kid there for 3 years! Thank God he agreed on some issues with the Girl Interrupted, God knows he would be raked through the coals if he didn't. Then again, I am sure Girl Interrupted just needed any atty this point, to the point of selling her soul AGAIN. There are many other lawyers in Florida that could have helped her, why a WWASPS lawyer?  Guess they owe her.  All IMHO.  Just my humble observations.
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2004, 04:51:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-18 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You know, there is obviously a WWASPie/or Carey herself trying to prove a point here. Dont you see yet, this is not about Pure/Sue/Volunterrs or any of that crap. It is about Carey's hatred of what she thinks Pure/Trekkers/Sue or whoever did to her. She forgets WWASPS is Dundee, or just simply doesnt get it. But a year ago she did.  The WWASPie/Carey is trying to be nice to Kaydee and Frod and then strokes the Girl Interrupted, Carey. You just dont get it. WWASPS is using Pure, WWASPS is using Carey all to distract from the real story. Fraud, abuse etc. Carey is simply falling for the whole thing, all because she hates so violently that she is not on top, not the focus, and lost her 15 minutes of fame."


Oh cut the crap, yourself, Anon.  Taking shots at Carey every time somebody turns the focus on PURE only confirms the fact that something stinks here.  Not to worry though. It's all gonna come out in the wash.  

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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2004, 04:58:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-18 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh, I do believe everyone deserves a fair trial and fair legal reprentation, but why would someone that proclaims to want to help kids and this industry go to a lawyer that supports one of the leading programs of this so called abuse? Not only that, left his kid there for 3 years! Thank God he agreed on some issues with the Girl Interrupted, God knows he would be raked through the coals if he didn't. Then again, I am sure Girl Interrupted just needed any atty this point, to the point of selling her soul AGAIN. There are many other lawyers in Florida that could have helped her, why a WWASPS lawyer?  Guess they owe her.  All IMHO.  Just my humble observations."


Anon, your humble opinion sucks.  Have you forgotten that an associate of PURE's once worked for WWASPS as an admissions rep for one, maybe several of their member programs?  Sheesh, what is with these reformed ex-WWASPIES who think, no believe, their shit doesn't stink?  It does. Big time.

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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2004, 05:15:00 PM »
No cheap shots. Who cares who works for Pure and who doesnt. Who really gives a shit about Pure, except Carey, since she thinks they harmed her (yet to prove it), and WWASPS, since they think they lied about them (yet to prove it). Other than that, no one cares about them. Well, you do obviously, since you constantly bring them up. Could you be the Girl Interrupted? We will wait for it to come out in the rinse cycle.
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