Ginger,You are raising the fire in me. BULLSHIT.
Much of Government needs to be cut. Let us start with the military - half of our spending - and up since the end of the cold war.
And, can you just get rid of all government and remain a human being with a heart? Ginger, With all due respect, your conclusion is vague, and it doesn't even follow from your premise. Then. your conclusion assumes a cause and effect relationship that has not been demonstrated. Finally, you only quote me out of context. Then you answer only the questions I ask when you can construct (through language)a way to frame the words to fit your politicl bent. Scientific method attempts to disprove it own hypothises, and, failing that, proves the hypothisis or rules it out. Your whole conversation is brilliantly constructed logical fallicy.
This hypothisis of no government and no taxes is not supported because it advocates elimination of tribal-centered contribution for simple and pure individuaism - When community contribution and collective resourse-sharing (tribe) represent the only explaination for the evolution of civilization and the resulting survival of the individual against environmental hardship.
Put simply we need each other and have to help each other. We have to live together with heart and humanity or we die. What you suggest is abandonment of your brothers and sisters in nature. Case in point:
I worked for a govenment funded non profit agency AAOA that helped aged, disabled, and mentally limited people from being exploited personally, sexually, and financially by people, hospitals, nurses and just plain business crooks and often family members in the shadows - always people in the shadows). AAOA, you have probably heard of it because it is an national organization in every state that funds senior centers - "The Area Agency on Aging"
As an advocate for old and disabled folks, I've seen abandonment of community to individualism.
Family members gouged grandma's eyes out and tied her to a chair while they collected her monthly pension checks. Another old retired dentist was lonely, so he got a care-giver who moved in and spent all his money on drugs while she and her husband bilked him for tens of thousands of dollars. They always came up with a new emergency and he "just had to help." New cars, living expenses, drugs, and fancy dinners on the town. These are not isolated, and therefore logically fallacious testamonials. The world I work in requires daily intervention on hundreds of such incidents each day.
How would these people be found with no system, no community orgs, government funded to oversee them?
The community ignores the aged, then asks for them to be put away in nursing homes. There is money in that.
Before you were born, they had no government funding for agencies like this. They did have poor houses and settlement houses, and mental wards full of shit and piss with guards beating elders, kids, and the socially anxious who had a hard time coping with stress (sound familiar)?
Before government took a role, we did have a few great women (social workers and feminists)helping to shut down those hell houses and begin humanizing the system to make people stronger and better contributers, get them educated, employed, and channelled into a place in the world that fits who they are - not private boarding schools for example. This is the origin of my profession Ginger - "compassion." And, you insult it.
Religious organizations and communities that wanted these people OUT OF THE WAY, and hidden from view funded the poor houses and hell holes. These were full of abandoned disabled and developmentally delayed children, people who were considered "demented" with autism, aspbergers syndrome, elderly folks with dimantia, altzheimers syndrome with abandoned, unrully children, maverick adults, screaming schiophrenics and people who just refused to conform, all being hosed down from sleeping in excerment.
Five year old girls and boys were regularly whipped and molested by "gruardians of the house." Where were you advocates of inactivism then. I'll tell you where, you were in the ferry land of "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself."
Indeed, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
You repeat it. We started with "no government." It was established seperate from church - a good thing. You forgot about slavery, Ginger, government went to war to abolish it - Slavery, I asked you about that - No response? Too in contexet?
So we get no "adult protection," no "child protection," just molesters, abusive religious reformers, Waco child molestors, Randy Weaver racist Christian Identity MORONS. (I knew him - he lived up the hill from me. He marched his kids in uniforms with insignia of hitler - he was an asshole with rights, and he created his own problem. He killed his wife and child by being an asshole. He was just like that moron in Waco, David Koresh. David brainwashed, molested and burnt all those people - If I was there I would have been shooting at him too. And with no government I could. How's that work for you?
But a killer, really, I am not. We're just a few social workers trying to help. And are we laughed at for having that thing you forgot to quote me on - "compassion." Yes. It receeds at times.
Also, You didn't answer my question. Who takes care of these things and makes sure that it is done humanely? Who holds humanity accountable to be humane, fair, just and kind? Contrary to popular folklore and confirmed by thousands of years of tyranny in historical record, we are not "basically good." A few are -- very few.
More than half of us don't even have alturism in our nature. Ten percent of us have no consience at all.
So, let us say that we have succeeded and we have aboloshed the government. We have no taxes. It's everyone for himself. Survival of the fittest. Genocide to all those weak old folks, those retarded bastards and bitches who have the gual to suck charity out of our grandiose pristene lives. How dare them? Let then Die? Workable? Yes. Honerable? No. Libritarian? Yes.
Good luck in you perfect Libritarian world. I'm sure you will gain when you cut down all the forests, poison all the waters and let all the weak infidels die. After all, none of that will affect you. "Well, "uh?
?? in the short run it won't."
Anyway, I'll be dead because I have bad kidneys, high blood pressure, heart disease,a broken heart (in more ways than one) and will soon be too old. Too old to be one of the "fittest." I and you will, therefore not survive long without that forgotten compassion. But, compassion isn't important anyway is it? What is important is getting rid of taxes and getting filthy rich so all the Libritarian heros of this free economy won't be inconvenienced and can remain "dedicated inactivists?"
Yep, we can sit on our asses and get rid of government and taxes and all our problems will go away. Let me know how that works out. Well, I wouldn't call it work - maybe inactivism. Good luck. Once for the road - BULLSHIT.
