Parents Helping Other Parents

[Anonymous]

Karen, Karen, Karen...your post on the ATA forum says you drop by this forum from time to time.  You've probably erased your post, but I do remember you saying you were "obsessed" with this board.  You post everyday.

If you can't even be honest with those that you are employed to minister to, what is that telling them?  

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-06 17:59:00, Deborah wrote:

"***Usually if a program director or staff member has more than 5 years experince, they have worked in another program such as CEDU, ASPEN, WWASP. Bite on that for a little bit.***



It is something to think about... I mean what kind of "training" all those Directors and staff received. Is that really something to brag about? I mean, given the excessive number of deaths, lawsuits, and loads of bad press about Utah programs."

Very few problems are coming from WWASPS real parents, you know the ones that have custody and acutally placed the child, If you have more than 2,200 parents you are going to get complaints from time to time, especially in the type of industry they are in-

Here is a pop quiz,

How many actuall parents are on this forum who can  
meet these requirements as a true wwasps critic-

 
1. They are the paernts with custody and placed the child in a WWASPS program.
    
2. Do not have some conflict of intrest to bad mouth WWASPS or are a competitor
    

Besides that everyone else has no real experince of WWASPS, either they are political activist, child rights, or competing or have some finacial intrest.

 :idea:  :idea:  :idea:

[Anonymous]

//They are the paernts with custody and placed the child in a WWASPS program.

Do not have some conflict of intrest to bad mouth WWASPS or are a competitor//


Call me Anon # 1
The above requirements describe me.
 I think wwasp is diabolically evil; grossly neglectful and inherently abusive. They have manipulated you with far more skill than your kid ever did. But perhaps you aren't a parent yourself. Maybe your Bob or Jay or Ken or Ralph or Narvin or Nona or Jane or Joe. . .
Whats your motivation and agenda for trolling the net?

[Anonymous]

//but I do remember you saying you were "obsessed" with this board. You post everyday. //

I recall this statement differently. As I recall, the obsession wasn't with any board; but rather with the issue of abusive programs.

You seem strangely obsessed with Karen.

Now, why is that?

[Deborah]

***Besides that everyone else has no real experince of WWASPS, either they are political activist, child rights, or competing or have some finacial intrest.***

So typical, a program parent attempting to sum up the demographics of this site to make a point, which had nothing to do with the post s/he was responding to. Can't respond, distract.

I don't think you are qualified to make those comments.

And in the unlikely event they are accurate-
SO WHAT?

My guess is that people here are not interested in your ramblings about WHO meets "your" requirements for commenting. This ain't no WWASP program here, it's a pubic message board. Your control techniques don't work out here in the real world.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-07 14:55:00, Deborah wrote:

"

***Besides that everyone else has no real experince of WWASPS, either they are political activist, child rights, or competing or have some finacial intrest.***



So typical, a program parent attempting to sum up the demographics of this site to make a point, which had nothing to do with the post s/he was responding to. Can't respond, distract.



I don't think you are qualified to make those comments.



And in the unlikely event they are accurate-

SO WHAT?



My guess is that people here are not interested in your ramblings about WHO meets "your" requirements for commenting. This ain't no WWASP program here, it's a pubic message board. Your control techniques don't work out here in the real world.



"

Lets start with you Deborah, Did you place your child (Having Custody of your child) in a WWASPS facility or have even ever visited a WWASPS facility?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-07 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Karen, Karen, Karen...your post on the ATA forum says you drop by this forum from time to time.  You've probably erased your post, but I do remember you saying you were "obsessed" with this board.  You post everyday.



If you can't even be honest with those that you are employed to minister to, what is that telling them?  



The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.   "

Perhaps if Karen would practice what she preaches, there would be no need to question her motives. Only Karen knows whether she is guilty of violating the covenents of christian-based doctrine.  Certainly, if it turns out, she participated in the diabolitcal character assination of Ms. Bock, then she should not be surprised that others may question her motives and her commitment to upholding the values and beliefs of her faith.

[Anonymous]

Character assassination?
Puulezz.
Carey did what she did and has admitted to it.
Lots of folks feel what she did was a damned awful thing to do.
Carey has made her excuses. The wwasp hoards have rushed to her defence.
They have their point of view and are entitled to it.
Others disagree, and are entitled to say so.
*If* her character has been assassinated, it is by the truth of her own actions. She is all for the Truth, she says over and over. Who's Truth, and how much Truth, seems to trouble her.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-08 11:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Character assassination?

Puulezz.

Carey did what she did and has admitted to it.

Lots of folks feel what she did was a damned awful thing to do.

Carey has made her excuses. The wwasp hoards have rushed to her defence.

They have their point of view and are entitled to it.

Others disagree, and are entitled to say so.

*If* her character has been assassinated, it is by the truth of her own actions. She is all for the Truth, she says over and over. Who's Truth, and how much Truth, seems to trouble her.

"

Lots of folks think what Ms. Bock did was damned  awful? Hah!  Try six to maybe a dozen folks. Most of whom (if not all) are reformed ex-wwasp parents or "hoards" as you prefer to call them.
Personally, I think most people have figured out this is a war between PURE and WWASPS.  Ms. Bock, the Trekkers and maybe still others are caught in the crossfire.  What's your interest in any of this Anon?  To prove PURE is right and Ms. Bock is wrong? Why?  What do you or anybody else but the parties involved have to gain?  The answer is nothing, unless YOU have a vested interest.  So once again, Anon, what is your interest?  Be specific.  Your faith is not going to shield you from accountability!!!!

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-08 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2004-01-08 11:39:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Character assassination?


Puulezz.


Carey did what she did and has admitted to it.


Lots of folks feel what she did was a damned awful thing to do.


Carey has made her excuses. The wwasp hoards have rushed to her defence.


They have their point of view and are entitled to it.


Others disagree, and are entitled to say so.


*If* her character has been assassinated, it is by the truth of her own actions. She is all for the Truth, she says over and over. Who's Truth, and how much Truth, seems to trouble her.


"

Lots of folks think what Ms. Bock did was damned  awful? Hah!  Try six to maybe a dozen folks. Most of whom (if not all) are reformed ex-wwasp parents or "hoards" as you prefer to call them.

Personally, I think most people have figured out this is a war between PURE and WWASPS.  Ms. Bock, the Trekkers and maybe still others are caught in the crossfire.  What's your interest in any of this Anon?  To prove PURE is right and Ms. Bock is wrong? Why?  What do you or anybody else but the parties involved have to gain?  The answer is nothing, unless YOU have a vested interest.  So once again, Anon, what is your interest?  Be specific.  Your faith is not going to shield you from accountability!!!!"

Uh, Karen, what is a hoard?  Did you mean the word that starts with wh and rhymes with bore? Maybe you should wash your mouth out with soap instead of standing on your soapbox preaching your version of the gospel-truth.

 ::hehehmm::

[Anonymous]

On 2004-01-07 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-01-07 14:55:00, Deborah wrote:


"


***Besides that everyone else has no real experince of WWASPS, either they are political activist, child rights, or competing or have some finacial intrest.***





So typical, a program parent attempting to sum up the demographics of this site to make a point, which had nothing to do with the post s/he was responding to. Can't respond, distract.





I don't think you are qualified to make those comments.





And in the unlikely event they are accurate-


SO WHAT?





My guess is that people here are not interested in your ramblings about WHO meets "your" requirements for commenting. This ain't no WWASP program here, it's a pubic message board. Your control techniques don't work out here in the real world.





"

Lets start with you Deborah, Did you place your child (Having Custody of your child) in a WWASPS facility or have even ever visited a WWASPS facility? "

Can anyone else answer this question or link to where this has been discuessed before?

Lets start with you Deborah, Did you place your child (Having Custody of your child) in a WWASPS facility or have even ever visited a WWASPS facility?

[Anonymous]

"Uh, Karen, what is a hoard? Did you mean the word that starts with wh and rhymes with bore? Maybe you should wash your mouth out with soap instead of standing on your soapbox preaching your version of the gospel-truth."

GOT DOVE?

 :tup:

[Anonymous]

Hmmm, looks like somebody got the message, here.

 :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

Abundant Life Academy: The fraud!
I have been there and I´m sorry for the staff with no experience.  Do you know how many times the police have visited that school?... 5
There is no control, organization and honesty.  How can Mr. Rogers (Director) talk about God while is threatening people who knows all the illegal procedures in his company?  He asked money to some parents and not even paid the visa for the students.  You can ask them (students) and they are scared. :scared:

[Anonymous]

i have talked with Craig before (he is the director of ALA). He was very helpful and has answered many questions i has honestly and they was hard questions most programs shy away from. He says ALA does not take kids against their will. They have to want to come to ALA, and are free to leave at any time. And mail is not read just watched for drugs and so on. Phone contact is encouraged not limited. If that is true then they are a step in the right direction. Although they used to only have a place in Utah, now they added the Mexico facility. They say the same applies down there. I dont know this to be true as i never been there. I would love to go and observe thought for a bit. Also about the last annon post about the cops being there who knows. That can easily be found out as all police records are just a matter of publice record. So if they are lieing then the truth will be known. I am going to try to get police records and all call logs for 911 on ALA. And any police reports as well. Lets see if the annon is telling the truth! I have alawys had a interest in ALA as they claim to be humane. I just dont agree with the Mexico facility at all. Why Mexico, most programs run to mexico to escape US laws and regulations. If they are on the up and up a very bad move on ALA's part. As i would never recommend any place in Mexico for any reason no mather who run the place. Yes there is very bad need for a program the actully helps kids and is not abusive and respects they cival rights as ALA claims to be (i would love to see for myself). Not a smart move to Mexico thought.