I*N*S*O*M*N*I*A -late stupid thoughts/comments/questions

[E7haterJe]

Cant your two sights arrange (just a thought) a world reunite in Flrida..(ill help ya?) get all the people that want to come together and hold a Huge conference? Spread the word? National Tv...radio...have a fair...talk about places like where u went and Elan and this place I heard of that was crazy too have you heard of a : Disisto? or Dasisto? Someone told me about it once at Elan? They went there said alot of fucked up shit about it?

[Antigen]

Actually, there have been 3 annual survivors' conferences so far. I met Matt in Bathesda at the first one in 2000.

Here are reports on the first two:

http://trebach.org/abuse/

Here are reports on all three:
http://www.safetyintl.org/conference/

These have always been very serious, business-like affairs. But I'd love to have a much less formal kind of gathering one of these days.

How about this; there's a campground around here where hippies and musicians aften gather at certain times of year.
http://www.kindshows.com/

I haven't been there yet, but I've been dying to go since I found out about the place on the Daily Show (which I may never again see till the kids get tired of PS2)

I'd love to pick a weekend at a nice time of year and go hang out there. We could make a game of spotting other program vets based on little, idiosyncratic tendencies.  :rofl:

Seriously, anyone else up for something like that? And for ppl who think a night in the woods of SW PA w/ a bunch of stoners is just a little too "Deliverance", there are hotels nearby w/ hot and cold running water, complimentary breakfast and all.

The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060007761/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Alexander Solzhenitsyn

[deebe44]

Jen I found you to be interesting and you are so right on god bless you and all of us who had the ............at elan hey happy new year all

[E7haterJe]

YEA!! that would be so nice...to get a huge group together, to meet up...it would nt let me open the sight to the campground? but there is a few near here...there is like 30 min from me this indian reservation, on Krome Ave and 8th street where the Phish Tour was...It was great..(for the few min I was able to stay WONT get in to that) Just say ok..lol.... But anyways...its a huge open space...nice to have a camping event...we could have in the day to the night...Very informal...just chill out...(yea...for thse who cant handle 1 night in the woods..theres lots of local hotel etc etc... We can plan it...everyone who wants to come can come with wifes, husbands whom ever just a chill get together...Or even it could be at a hotel so no strange people come out and cause trouble? We can all meet up like 1 weekend, and meet, talk, drink chill...I think it would be a neat thing...? We can hold a conference even ?> or elaborate on this sight? or create another sight? Take lots of pictures, write stuff? I dunno?

[E7haterJe]

who is Deebe44? Your were in Elan? When? What is your name? :question:  :question:

[Antigen]

Hey now! I up and moved my family to a nice, central location so I wouldn't be all the way down in Florida.

Tell ya what. I have an old and neglected event calendar. I used it as a dev site for the PA Libertarian event calendar. We could use it to list events. I'll have to go in and fix whatever pretzel logic I was pawing at to try and encompas interest groups without any geographical reference. But it's fixable.

http://fornits.com/f_cal/

Then we could all list whatever cool events might be happening and just drop in.

I sort of like sticking to functions that hire bikers for security. They take NO shit, but are generally pretty fair minded about who gets the bumb's rush.

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant

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[E7haterJe]

:nworthy: and I am not married and have no kids. My mom just had 2 kids a few years ago with a new man, so I am too busy helping her with them when I am on vacation like now, to think about being able to handle the responsibility of raising my own..(anyway I live in the dorms, 1 yr left) of my educational procrastination...

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[Antigen]

On 2003-12-30 22:48:00, E7haterJe wrote:

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 :nworthy: and I am not married and have no kids. My mom just had 2 kids a few years ago with a new man, so I am too busy helping her with them when I am on vacation like now, to think about being able to handle the responsibility of raising my own..(anyway I live in the dorms, 1 yr left) of my educational procrastination...



 :razz:

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The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor

--Anatole France

[Pete]

Hey Jenny,

I remember almost all of those names.  I didn't know Rob's last name, I think it began with an "F."  I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but according to a friend of mine who went to Elan 7, Richard Gutierrez died of a drug overdose several years ago.  I don't know where Mitch is, last I heard, he was in the Army.  He was a cool kid -- we went on a couple trips together and I was on his SP when he was in the corner at our house.  My sister was not Mandy (you're thinking of Mandy Davis).  She was Amanda Moore, adopted from Korea.

I remember most of the other names.  Wyatt was a nice kid -- I felt sorry for him being stuck at Elan for what was then an abnormal amount of time.  I remember Dallas kicking the crap out of this one kid in a 3-house ring and I remember Teante too -- he came to our house during a house trip when he was shotdown or something.  I remember Jackie Pierro too, she was a coordinator who came to our house when I was coordinator of communications.  Clare made us sit down and listen to her to show how a proper communications department functions and then made us all sign a thank-you note.  I resisted the impulse to tell Clare what to do with her thank-you note.

The only person I keep in touch with from your house is Miluska Martinez and we haven't talked in awhile.  She is really nice though.  Oh yeah, you probably remember Matt Talbot.  I am good friends with his younger brother Jon who was in my house.  He was supposed to read Scripture at my wedding, but a family emergency stopped him from attending.  And you probably remember Ian Perkins -- I was good friends with his sister Maya, although she never went to Elan.

Oh yeah, speaking of getting caught "playing games."  When I started speaking out against Elan, I started dating grads as well.  Elan used to say that those relationships didn't work.  I was determined to prove them wrong and got involved with several graduates -- none of whom were in the house with me.  Eventually, I married a non-Elan woman and it's better that way.  But it was an interesting experience.

Happy New Year everyone!

[SyN]

dallas and tiante were both at 3 before you guys got there, they paved the way for corruption in 3.  They were the first to be fukn and bringing the house to one HUGE contract.  3 had to get rid of them cause they were the ring leaders.  They were physicall and corrupt.  So i gotta give them props for that.  In 7 i dont know what they were like but i can imagine after what 3 years they just wanted to leave.  Dallas did catch me n my friends mike z and brian when we split.  elan 7 and 8 were on a trip or some shit and their van passed us.  we were stoned and trying to hitch a ride out of state when the big white van screeched to a stop, we hauled ass track stars won end of that one.  pete you were around for that one dont know if you were jenny??
SyN

[Pete]

I remember all that Mike... it's a shame I didn't know you then.  

Damn man, stoned off one joint passed three ways?  Must have been some strong weed. LOL  Or did you have more pot than you admitted?

I remember Teante in 3, I wasn't there for Dallas in 3.  I remember that kid Mike Woldow got sent to 3 from 7.  He was a nice kid -- I used to be EMBC with him.  And I remember that Damon kid who got sent from 3 to 7.  He would never get his feelings off.  It's a shame he had to go back to Long Lane.  Mike, do you know what happened to him?

3 seemed like a crazy house... kids swallowing glass, masturbating into bags and throwing it at each other, fucking like crazy, etc.  Must have been fun, huh?  ha ha

Mike, Jenny, everyone, have a good new year.

[E7haterJe]

Yea Miluska Martinez...She was the only one I used to stay or got in contact with becuse I dont remember how I got her info...but I got it some how...And we talked a lot years ago online, and on the phone. Her family lives in Miami. Real close to mine,.. She was one of my favorites in Elan, maybe bc she shared a drop of the drop of Spanish culture I have...(I am more American) but she was SUPER fun...Well anyways, we hung out 2 diff times together like 2 years ago? or something...She came to my house..When I was living with my dad. We went for a drive around the bock a couple of times...(if u know what i mean) and we talked a lot...Went shopping I think? We went to Old navy? ahaha....she cut her hair all off...She at the time had a nice boriend? and lots of cats..Lived out North in FL...somewhere.... But she and I were smoking ciggs, and more..and it was GREAT....to finally be free from Elan and chilling with a cool girl fro Elan, who wasnt pulling me up or getting her feelings off, and smoking with me...smiling and feeling good, she told me, Jenn u look good, u turned out alright..wow your diff from in Elan...something lie that...and i said the same to her...I sent her an email a couple days a go..actually..no response..and i have her number but in a phone book in a box, and i cant get in it till i unpack when i move back in to the dorms...Do u have it? I know her email..at aol. OH YEA!! and that was Mandy Davis..(u knew her)?
But yea I remember ur sis TOTALLY!! SHE HAD VANS SNEAKERS WHEN SHE CAME IN I THINK???EVENTUALLY OF COURSE THE TOUNGES WERE FLAPPING AROUND ALL OVER LIKE MY CONVERSE SNEAKERS WOULD!!! :cry2:

[E7haterJe]

You know , no I dont remember that one....But I do remember a big DEAL Elan 7 going on and on about how 2 buys from another house were caught...about how they split and were roaming peoples back yards? and how were all cut up? roaming for days? and robbed someones house? and hit guy up with gulfclub and shit? thats what they told us...really Tania M actually told us, that 2 guys or one guy had split from another house, and had been roaming for ever, going in to strangers houseas, robbing them, stealing there food this and that...

[E7haterJe]

wow all these faces...i cant believe i remember some...and how ihave pushed out others...and how i have forced myself to try to remember these others ones u bring up..Damon...yes he had real curly hair, like thick muscles in his legs, cute face i think? if its the same one, we were accused of coping feels..(but i would tell u) i really dont remember that one...(i do remember looking)....What did u say happened to him? and why? Dallas by the way was graduating like 4 weeks after i was a new resident...and i didnt like like him, i just thought he was real nice to me no matter what crazy shit i was doing, and i remember he had nice lips..hahaah :lol:
Teante i knew briefly..and i heard dallas was having sex with a girl i wont say her name in 7...but i dont know if anyof that is even true,. but after what u guys have been telling me about what has gone on in other houses...i wish i wished i was in one of the other houses...instead i was in milatary academy..ugh...anyways...whats done is done... right?

[E7haterJe]

Anti--thats sounds like a  great idea..you know i was thinking why, what is so great about meting other elan survivors...even if some are married, have kids whatever...
if anyone is wondering like i did for a moment..this is what came out of my thoughts..
I have mentioned it briefly here on this site, how before i found this chat board, i was trying to explain and relieve myself this way or that way in counseling or with a friend about elan, most get real confused, and some dotn understand or just get real mad that places lke striahgts or elan exists...i still like to talk about elan to my friends and family here and there, what i can get from a friend or family member after talking about elan, is different from what i can get out of someone after telling them about how i felt here, or here in elan,,,,,whom also went to elan... others who went to elan, in my time, remember, met, people,..staff...know what a smell, a taste, a feeling exactlly was like... you
or atleast i have the desire to get to know all the people who r willing to, real selves outside elan,...why should  care..?  i dont know? i just do? its like wanting to meet your family tree? or wanting to know whos sperm u got to make your kid? or something related along those lines...its like if ur gonna be inmy towm...checkthis gettogether out, come chill out with us... peace amoungt all of us, and i promise not to yell or swear at you...u know? were all diff too...we are all special too.. and we are all not forced to sit in a group, and feel what they force us to feel... we are all free...to do and think and say what we want you know...makes everything sooo different...