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help needed
Unregistered User
(5/21/02 11:49 am)
Reply   Academy at Ivy Ridge
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 Need quick info please. Any complaints or
problems. Is this new school like other
WWASP schools? Please respond!
 
Eklipsa
Registered User
Posts: 1
(6/12/02 1:01 am)
Reply   Re: Academy at Ivy Ridge
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 OF COURSE IT IS LIKE ALL THE OTHERS. STAY CLEAR OF ANY WWASP PROGRAM!!!!!!!
 
Me
Unregistered User
(11/13/02 9:36 am)
Reply   AIR
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 I have been told this is more like a typical
boarding school for teens with fewer
problems and nothing like the others.
Is this not true. Have there been any
reported allegations of abuse or neglect
or any other issues? Where can I get
more info on this school? Thanks for
the input!!!
 
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Unregistered User
(1/25/03 12:24 pm)
Reply   IVY RIDGE--YET ANOTHER WWASP PROGRAM
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 You're dead wrong about Ivy Ridge being better than other WWASP programs. Ivy Ridge is one of the "newer" programs. WWASP schools have a history of being forced to close by government officials, being raided by government officials, and having lawsuits filed against them.

When are people going to learn? This web of deceipt is by Bob Lichfield of St. George, Utah. He is a former USED CAR SALESMAN. Wake up, people! Instead of selling used cars, he is selling boot camps under the deceptive label of "schools" and "teen programs."
 
Friedlieb6
Registered User
Posts: 3
(2/20/03 11:15 am)
Reply   Re: Academy at Ivy Ridge is just like the others...
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 First off... that program in NY called Ivy Ridge is like all the others.. recently about 2 days ago a girl came home and only stayed a week and was already fourced to sleep on the cement, with no blankets. With -15 degree weather.. she was only allowed to wear shorts, and a tank-top. She wasnt allowed to eat the entire week, only once and they gave her the fat of the pork....  
 
Me
Unregistered User
(3/6/03 9:44 am)
Reply   AIR
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 What else can you tell me about this girl? Do
you know her first hand and any details of
school?
 
jones14223
Unregistered User
(3/7/03 3:17 am)
Reply   Ivy
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The thing that people need to remember about all WWASP/Teen Help "programs" (yes Ivy Ridge Academy is a part of this empire) is that their not like typical boarding schools you see in the movies etc. They use a boot camp style structure. The facilities have small rooms they call "special needs" or "Observation" which is really isolation. Teens will spend anywhere from 24 hours to 2+ months straight. And yes kids really do spend more than 2 months in these rooms. They get to leave for a shower break (if they are allowed, and bathroom breaks, which is used as a form of punishment sometimes). So if you still want a boot camp style structure where teens walk in straight lines, get yelled at, etc., than look else where. The WWASP/Teen Help programs are not safe. They have had 2 programs shut down, and an adolescent hospital was closed by them after it came under investigation for failure to submit abuse reports, and basically for referring any and all teens to 12-24 months in a WWASP/Teen Help program no matter what their condition was. WWASP/Teen Help programs our like the Kmarts of these programs, theres no personal care. There have been multiple lawsuits filed against WWASP/Teen Help, but the owners say they have not paid any settlements before, but they forgot to mention all of the out of court settlements and confidential agreements signed by broke parents who are trying to get their money back after they were conned. I will never understand why parents dont get it, there are many news articles about WWASP/Teen Help (which are negative), lawsuits, and programs shut down, yet they still send their teens to these programs. I guess the mutliple layers of WWASP/Teen Help, the 100's of web pages they have up promoting WWASP/Teen Help, and the pyramid of referrals (where a parent gets $1000 for referring a teen or a free month of tuition) does the trick. I believe the WWASP/Teen Help empire will fall eventually, not only for abuse and neglect but for fraud as well. It wouldnt surprise me if the owners of WWASP/Teen Help spend the rest of their lifes in prison.
 
jackie
Unregistered User
(3/11/03 8:37 pm)
Reply   Ivy Ridge Prison
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This is absolutely true. I made contact and personally talked with this family. As I result, my child was removed. The psychic damage is a tragedy. WWASP, Teen Help are conning thieves. Program is misrepresented. Follow the money/paper trail - right to St. George, Utah. Big business, used car dealers, real estate - crooks. The program is designed to manipulate the parents out of their money. Finish all the seminars and see how much money is left. Imprisonment in school vs. imprisonment in jail. Even if children make mistakes - they still deserve justice.
 
jackie
Unregistered User
(3/12/03 7:20 pm)
Reply   Ivy Ridge - school from hell
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 Please read all info. The National Guard should be sent in. IntrepidNet Reporter sums it up best. Please research and investigage. This is a national tragedy. Children should be seen and heard. This country is about rights not rites. Please God close in on WWASP and Teen Help.
 
Jackie
Unregistered User
(3/12/03 7:26 pm)
Reply   IVY RIDGE - School from hell
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 Please read all info - IntrepidNet Reporter. American Gulag. The National Guard should be called in to shut down and protect the children. Children should be seen and heard. This is a national disgrace. Children have rights not rites. Save the children. God help this country. Right your congressmen, senator, and leave no child behind. Let us start writing the President.
 
virginiajobet
Unregistered User
(4/3/03 11:00 pm)
Reply   Please give me information about Ivy ridge. The Truth!!!
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 Anyone out there who has attended Ivy Ridge, or parents who have kids in there. I am now afraid for my child because I have started researching this after I have enrolled my child. I have heard allegations against the director and also allegations of abuse. I need to know the truth, They have given me numbers of people but I do not know if I can trust them. I am so frightened that I can barely sleep. Please help. Do not lie as we are all one day held accountable before God!!!!!!
 
guest
Unregistered User
(4/4/03 2:55 am)
Reply   air
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They have given you numbers, numbers of those who speak religiously about WWASP/Teen Help, many have said that they believe WWASP/Teen Help to be a form of a cult. Look, there are way too many people speaking out against WWASP/Teen Help for this to be a lie. If you have a hard time beleiving personal stories, research past news coverage about WWASP/Teen Help. These organizations have nothing to gain (and neither do those who are speaking out, other than preventing this nation tragedy) but news organization will show the facts behind all these horror stories you can read on these forums. And please dont consider calling the phone numbers WWASP/Teen Help gives a form of reasearch, we all know what those people on the other end will say, and they may even give you their referral code. WWASP/Teen Help is one big tupperware party with pyramid marketing and hidden referral payments, but their not selling tupperware their selling teens.
 
Judy
Unregistered User
(4/4/03 9:17 am)
Reply  AIR
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 Virginia, I do not have any experience with AIR specifically but my son was at TB for 18 months so I am very familiar with WWASP. Email me personally at http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewf...rum=9&6407
Many threads there you might gain information from.

Good Luck to you and your daughter.


 
bucs178
Registered User
Posts: 2
(11/11/03 6:39 pm)
Reply   Re: you people are messed up
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 My daughter has never been charged with anything!!!!!!
She has never hurt anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is a sweet girl. She is a normal teen who has normal curiosities. Her mother is the one with the problems.

Your response as anonymous provides me no validity for your support for the entity you so valiantly defend and leads me to believe that you are affiliated with the nation wide facilities in question. You must be trying to protect your job or have a personal business interest in the child exploitation business that many as well as I feel is nothing more than a money gouging creature. I have been in personal contact with an actual or former ( I will not say which ) employee of these various facilities and I have been told that the allegations are absolutely true and that the employees are made to sign a contract not to divulge anything to anyone about the program.

Our local dept of juvenile justice generally does a good job at handling the issues that arise from children who have any criminal activity. My daughter has never had any dealing with the dept of juvenile justice or ever been to juvenile court for anything, crimes or allegations, attributed to her.

You need to get a real life, whoever you are, and stop helping others to legally harm helpless children. God will hold you accountable one day even if you yourself do not!
 
 

All I ask is equal freedom.  When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken

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Jackie410
Registered User
Posts: 1
(1/30/03 7:51 pm)
Reply  Former Academy Ivy Ridge Students!!
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 Hello,
This is Jackie and i was a former student at the WWASP -- Academy at Ivy Ridge and i'm looking for parents of kids in Ivy Ridge, or any other WWASP programs or parents who are considering sending their kids to a Ivy Ridge or any WWASP programs, or of course former students, whether that be kids who graduated from the program that have transferred there when they were on upper levels or those who were pulled out and the program won't help you make contact with other students because you did not complete the program. I was pulled out and i was in the program for 7 months, if you are a male you probably don't know me for obvious reasons but you can still feel free to contact me. Well if you want to post a message that is cool or if you would like to e-mail me you can at:
allathome@direcway.com
http://www.isaccorp.com
 
shagg
Unregistered User
(10/16/03 6:29 pm)
Reply  me too
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 that place is the worst experience of my entire life.. email me at Sweetz1626@sbcglobal.net

 
 
 

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

[Anonymous]

Guess there's no way of proving it, but starting with the dates of the first post, it sure looks like PURE's M.O. all over it.  Too much like the boy that cried wolf...if there is any legitimacy with these posts, it's gone due to PURE's people posting the same sorts of things to scare parents to "their" side.

[Anonymous]

WWASP would not have had any knowledge that
Carey had anything to subpoena, if she hadn't
called Ken Kay and made an offer. That much is
fact. (She originally wanted a hundred grand for
it.) WWASP has probably been trying to help her
come up with plausible excuses to explain her
actions in hopes to keep people here talking to her; and thereby keep the flow of inside information coming. If this is true - Ginger could
already have her head on the chopping block with the ax in Carey's hand...

[Froderik]

Hmmmmmmm... :wstupid:

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 09:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"WWASP would not have had any knowledge that

Carey had anything to subpoena, if she hadn't

called Ken Kay and made an offer. That much is

fact. (She originally wanted a hundred grand for

it.)

That doesn't pass the giggle test.

Everybody knew the Trekers list existed. Everybody knew about Intrepidnet. A lot of people had a pretty good idea who was on the list and what it was about. Those were not secrets. WWASP certainly knew about PURE poaching from their parents group because they were doing in on Woodbury's forum. Even if they didn't have that source of info, they had the WWASP parents who were faithful to the cult and ratted them out.

When ya'll asked Carey who called who first, she refered you back to posts from months ago where she described how she went about trying to withdraw her sons from Dundee before she hired Bozak to hire a couple of bouncers to stand there and look mean while she told Narvin to go fetch her boys for her. Yes, Carey initiated contact WWASP long before any of this bullshit because WWASP had her sons.

That doesn't mean she volunteered info any more than anyone else who's delivered material pursuant to a subpoena or who's been depositioned.

WWASP has probably been trying to help her

come up with plausible excuses to explain her

actions in hopes to keep people here talking to her; and thereby keep the flow of inside information coming. If this is true - Ginger could

already have her head on the chopping block with the ax in Carey's hand...



"

Thanks for the well wishes. But I'm not at risk of getting dragged into this lawsuit unless the PURE ppl do it. See, I do NOT poach business from WWASP. All I do is host a web forum, ask questions about things I don't know and tell what I do know.

BTW, interesting bit of trivia here. In the first couple of posts, you might spot an unusual spelling error within a familiar phrase. Search on that spelling error in these forums to find the same phrase and spelling in a signed post. You'll shit your pants if you find it!

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802808689/circleofmianithem' target='_new'> C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock

[Antigen]

Oh, and to anon #1 who thinks this is nothing but PURE bullshit, I'd suggest contacting some of the ppl who answered by saying they had actually been at AIR recently. Just because PURE or anyone else might go around talking out of their asses doesn't mean everything's ok at AIR.

To draw the analogy again, Stalin was a bad guy. He said many horrible and untrue things about Hitler. That never made Hitler a good guy.

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
--Thomas Jefferson

[Anonymous]

From Ginger's Post:

BTW, interesting bit of trivia here. In the first couple of posts, you might spot an unusual spelling error within a familiar phrase. Search on that spelling error in these forums to find the same phrase and spelling in a signed post. You'll shit your pants if you find it!

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Ginger, are you talking about the first couple of posts in this thread?  The ones about ASR from the WBT forum?  There are alot of spelling errors and familiar phrases.  Can you narrow it down a bit?  Like give us a clue as to a word the misspelled word rhymes with?  That would help, alot.  Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Is this it?

"web of deceipt"

 :wink:

[Anonymous]

Okay, if this is it, I can see why some people (flamers) might be reaching for the pepto-bismo.

 ::ftard::

[Anonymous]

Has anyone else figured this out?  I'm not really sure now who would be the most surprised (or in need of anti-diarrhea meds) so for the time being, I will just ponder the question. (However, Would be nice to know if the phrase is the right one or not??)

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 14:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Okay, if this is it, I can see why some people (flamers) might be reaching for the pepto-bismo.



 ::ftard:: "

 :rofl:

No citizen of a liberal and democratic nation profits from a victorious war.
--Ludwig von Mises

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 19:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

(However, Would be nice to know if the phrase is the right one or not??)"

Well, it is the one I was talking about, for better or for worse.

The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire.
--Joseph Sobran

[Deborah]

For better or worse? How bout for further confusion? As this comment:

"When are people going to learn? This web of deceipt is by Bob Lichfield of St. George, Utah. He is a former USED CAR SALESMAN. Wake up, people! Instead of selling used cars, he is selling boot camps under the deceptive label of "schools" and "teen programs."

does not jibe with the misspeller's stated position on WWASP. Or is the point that the position changes depending on who the misspeller is speaking to? Dundee is one of Lichfield's "boot camps". Or would the misspeller have us to believe that Dundee was the only "independent" facility, not associated with WWASP? Somewhat confused and very curious.