Sell Your Soul To The Devil

[Anonymous]

F-13 has a good point.
Its all getting very redundant.
Carey is what she is. She did what she did.
Think of it what you will.

[Antigen]

Well, at $400/hr, they paid for 31.25 hrs.

How many hours do you suppose they've already spent trying to get info out of the schools that Sue refers people to? And how much calendar time do you think it would take to actually locate the data from another source (it's almost impossible that it doesn't exist somewhere) and to actually get it?

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant

[Anonymous]

Yep, what's done is done.  Wonder who the next victim of the anti-carey-club will be? Sure hope it isn't good ole' Frod, who because he is such a loose cannon, must be sending these folks right over the edge.  

 :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Carey Quotes?  (prior to her transformation)

 

?I have no other agenda.  My only concern is for these kids to get the help they need and for Litchfield to be held accountable.?

 

?We talked about the exploitation of the children and their parents.?

 

?I just don't want her to distract from the main point of our mission which is to expose Dundee for its exploitation of teenagers and their families.?

 

?Sounds like Amberly did a great job.  Geoff and Garred always said,  "she (Amberly) was always on the side of the kids, and she cared about each and everyone of them.  She was the one who really wanted to help us to be a better person."

 

?Makes me ill to think that there are kids in the hands of people that deceptive.?

 

?I just finished reading Amberly's letter.  It really hurt my  heart.  It made me cry.  I want to do everything I can to be sure that that man can not hurt anyone else.  He should be in prison.?

 

?It is too easy for information to get into the wrong hands.?

 

?I believe Sue does know and believe WWASP programs are bad.  But because of her company and her profession others may believe she has another motive?

 

?We do not want any more information getting out that may alert the Litchfield?s or any other employees of the programs.?

 

?  I know that WWASP is forming a "Special Parent Reference List" to try and discredit what we bring before the media.  Have you seen the letter that Ken Kay sent out to the parents with regard to the list??

 

?I want to expose Dundee for what it really is, a controversial and abusive holding facility for at risk teens that exploits teens and their families in a time of need.  "What they advertise is not what you get!"

 

?The kids that are there have no way of reporting the abuse to those on the outside.  They are cut off from all outside communication until they have been in the program long enough to be either, for lack of a better word, "brainwashed" or until they have learned how to just go along with it, not speak out against it, in order to "graduate ?the program.?

 

 

?The parents who send their kids to these schools attend seminars in the states that teach them to "trust the program".  These are parents who are a wits end, looking for help, and they truly believe their kids are being helped.  They are being deceived.?

 

 

?  I will continue to speak my piece and my experience throughout this fight against Dundee and WWASP.?

[Anonymous]

Oh Please, "The Worm Turns"?  Sounds to me like what happened to Carey is typical of what happens to most parents who get involved with the teen-help-industry.  In fact, the same can be said for some of the PURE volunteers who prior to their affiliation with that organization, belonged to a different one called WWASPS.  May have even recruited for them in exchange for free tuition, if I am not mistaken.  Care to explain what that's all about?  Ka Ching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :rofl:

[Froderik]

Yep, what's done is done. Wonder who the next victim of the anti-carey-club will be? Sure hope it isn't good ole' Frod, who because he is such a loose cannon, must be sending these folks right over the edge.

What folks?

I'm not even sure who that's supposed to be offensive to, if anyone. Bear with me...

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-13 17:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

Sounds to me like what happened to Carey is typical of what happens to most parents who get involved with the teen-help-industry.

Exactly!

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Believe me, than in half the creeds.
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[Anonymous]

It's "typical" to offer WWASP misappropriated emails in exchange for $100,000.00, but then do it, just for kicks, for $12,500?  How is that a typical parent-WWASP experience FOOL!?

[Anonymous]

Don't worry cause Antigen makes a rotten public defender.  Did Antigen get the other 87.500?

[Anonymous]

On 2003-12-14 14:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It's "typical" to offer WWASP misappropriated emails in exchange for $100,000.00, but then do it, just for kicks, for $12,500?  How is that a typical parent-WWASP experience FOOL!?



"

Anon, go read Sheff's personal story. Paragraph 14 where she writes about how she was once upon a time, a WWASPS recruiter.  Is that A-OKAY with you?  Just curious where you stand on that issue, which BTW is part of the public (court) record, NOT a red herring.

 :silly:  :silly:  :silly:  :silly:  :silly:  :silly:

[Antigen]

On 2003-12-14 14:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It's "typical" to offer WWASP misappropriated emails in exchange for $100,000.00, but then do it, just for kicks, for $12,500?  How is that a typical parent-WWASP experience FOOL!?



"

No, but then I don't have a lot of reason to believe it went down that way. It seems a lot more likely to me that Carey got a letter or phone call similar in tone and content to the one I got from Tanya A. Yatsco back in September.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... =9&start=0

The salient content is this, in case you're having a difficult time seeing the similarity: " Such postings must immediately be removed from your website and you must cease and desist posting any such items in the future. Failure to do so will result in legal action against Fornits and the infividuals posting these defamatory statements." and this "Again, if the defamatory postings regarding Academy at Ivy Ridge are not immediately removed, we will commense suit against you."

Now, they didn't offer me any money. But then, I'm not holding any information that would be costly or difficult for them to get for themselves. But they did just exactly as I've seen other people say they do; they use a carrot and stick approach; do what we ask or we'll sue. Now, I have a fairly good idea of what my rights and obligations are and I know that no one can force me into involuntary servitude like that, not legally anyway. So I called their bluff.

Carey and I have our differences of opinion. You'd know that, of course, if you had any interest whatever in the conversations that go on publicly in these forums other than the perennial group comedown sessions. But we have one thing in common, I think, that seperates us from all you ppl who keep bitching and bellyaching about the way I run this free server that you keep using. We both want all the information out. We're not trying to shut anybody up.

You folks and WWASP have that in common, though. You seem to have a difficult time understanding the concept that no one is responsible for controling your fingers and your keyboard but you yourself. And you are not responsible for what anyone else says. They are. You have not the power or obligation to try and shut anybody up, ok?

Web pages are like babies -- creation involves a level of enthusiasm that does not necessarily carry over into maintenance.
--Joe Chew

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[Anonymous]

Who was talking about power?  You brought up that subject.  Again, you're not helping anyone here.

On the other post, again, Sue Sheff or Scheff, whichever, is as bad as WWASP if she's in the same business as it.

[Deborah]

If those emails were "misappropriated"- stolen, shared without permission, whatever- how could WWASP use them to their benefit in a legal proceeding?

If those emails were in Carey's possession, they were her property, to do with as she chose, correct?

How is the information contained in those emails detrimental to PURE? What exactly is it that PURE would rather WWASP not know? How will it damage PUREs defense or enhance WWASPs position?

Here's the irony of this situation based on the storyline as it's unfolded here:
Sue gets burned by WWASP and seeks revenge by setting up a rival organization.
WWASP gets burned by PURE and seeks revenge by filing a lawsuit.
PURE seeks further revenge by orchestrating a class action lawsuit against WWASP. (According to Carey)
Carey gets fucked by WWASP and PURE, but apparently really has it in for PURE, therefore seeks revenge by selling out to WWASP.

I think there were options other than selling the info or turning it over by subpoena. Computers crash everyday.

I can't figure why all the fuss or surprise around her selling the info to begin with. She has repeatedly stated that her beef was not with WWASP, but the individuals that wronged her- Dundee, Amberley, Joe, Sue, and Bozak. As if Dundee is not part of WWASP? That position always concerned me- and I don't have a vested interest either way.

What did she do with all the potentially damaging information she had on WWASP? All those exchanges on and off the BBS. Did she offer to sell that to PURE? Now that would have been savvy. Or had she already pass those on, free of charge?

I just hope after all this drama that the lawsuit is not a wash, with both parties walking away with a slap on the hand.

[Anonymous]

Debroah,
The idea here is not so much to get legalistic.  Whether or not the emails can be presented to a jury in a legal proceding is probably an evidence issue, which neither of us are qualified to give an opinion on.  It's morally wrong that she did what she did and that's even if everyone screwed her over (using your metaphor).  Any collateral damage is unacceptable.  The rest of your post I agree!

[Anonymous]

Seems to me that when it comes to the teen-help industry, Deborah knows better than most there are few to no rules.  Ethics and morals?  Hah!  What Carey did or did not do, pales in comparison to the allegations leveled against programs, ed cons and independent referral services who are guilty of the worst kind of profiteering.  Personally, I don't think anyone would have done what she did if they did not believe they could do so without fear of legal repercussions.  It just doesn't make sense.  As for violating the moral code of a bunch of people with a self-serving agenda of their own, Big Whup.