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What is the economy anyway ??
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "Dethgurl" ---Imaginary enemies are profitable.
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Yup, I believed The Dead Kennedys back in 1981 when they said as much in songs like "When Ya Get Drafted."
And of course, this was verified time and again over the years..
Paul St. John:
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--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---starry-eyed pirate wrote:
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Paul St. John wrote:
quote="starry-eyed pirate"]Well...le's see...I don't know anyone who leads a just and moral life. If you drive a car, and import your food and other goods, like tools and clothes and furniture from halfway around the world you're not living justly.
That's some statement alright. Care to explain why? I would say that If halfway around the world goods are being produced by people willing to part with them at a better price, giving your business to them is the JUST thing to do. The person who would go this direction of trading with those across the world has a just mind, and yet at the same time, justice in the truest sense cannot be even applied to this situation, because who you choose to trade you with, and what things you choose to purchase, and do with your earned money is your business! That is justice.
So let me get this straight, cause I can't believe you really mean what you wrote here.
What you are telling me is that Justice has no place in peoples private business
What I wrote, is that justice does not pertain to whom you buy your goods from, as it is your choice. One of the primary functions of justice is to uphold and protect people's right to use and dispense of their own goods and earned wealth as they see fit. For example. I would disagree with a person who refuses to do business with others based on their ethnic background, but at the same time, no one has the right to force him/her to.
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Justice is not relative. It is an absolute and is not merely limited to the exchange of goods and services between 2 parties as they "see fit" but is also concerned with the effect of said business deal on the world as a whole.
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Yes.. I know.. Justice is justice. It is very hard, however, to measure the effect of any exchange on the entire world.
Here is an example. There is no doubt that there are chemicals put in our food, and as well, things left out of the food, that make them less healthy. Such things probably cause an extremely slight increase in the chances of those who consume them getting cancer, and other diseases. All other things being the same, consuming these ingredients, may slightly reduce a person's life span. However, the use of these chemicals, greatly increase convenience, and reduce the price. Many people, if they knew, all the possible risks, and had all the facts laid out, right in front of them, would still choose processed foods. That means more choice- more options for more people. I would say that that makes the world better as a whole, because it increases choice. You would probably say that it hurts the world.
Organic food is available for those who want it, but for those who would like to trade a drop of health or a take a risk of increasing the possibility of getting a disease, for convenience, expedience, and value, they have that choice. I love choice. I think that choice is great, and that the more choice, the better the world for all. Possibly, a person will put the money and time that they save through the purchasing of all non-organics foods, into other healthful activities, that are more to their liking, or which they believe to be of greater benefit.
Paul St. John
Paul St. John:
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--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" ---regardless of the acidification of our oceans,
and the burning and clearing of the worlds rain forests, the degradation of air quality, or the toxification of the water table, the eradication of indigenous, sustainable cultures, and unique animal/plant species, etc. Is that what you mean to convey ?? I hope not.
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Most of these things are WAY overstated by pseudo-scientists, and others who just do not know what they are talking ab out. As to the extent, to which there is some truth, progress always has issues along the way, and the only people who don t notice that are the people who do not do anything. We are always finding better ways to do things. It is very hard to be perfect all the time.. Of course, if you do absolutely nothing at all, yuo will make no mistakes, and it is very easy to critique those who do. the one specific thing I would actually like to address is about the sustainable, indigenous cultures. No one has killed them or anything, and it could be taken that way, the way you put it.
But all in all, I am not going to lie, I care more about people then about rain forests, oceans, or plant species.
Paul[/b]
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Man you are really missin it.[/quote]
What is the "it' that I am missing? Can you define it?
Paul
Froderik:
Money is the root of all evil.
Usury, fiat currency, derivatives, it's all bullshit and has to go.
Samara:
It's not the root of all evil. If not money, something else. But currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.
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