General Interest > Tacitus' Realm
What is the economy anyway ??
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---So who is jumping up to join your friends in the international, no electricity, no toilet community?
Man being man will fuck up any system. Whether primitive or corporate. Utopia becomes dystopia. There will always be a minority concentration of power. There will always be threats to power. There will always be over-reactive nimwits.
But it is wayyyyy to easy to let "The Program Matrix Theory" become the end all-be all excuse for individual shortcomings.
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I respect every post I have ever read of yours.
Paul
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" ---I also have this idea about making quadricycles, which would be a replacement vehicle for the modern car, with it's combustible engine. I mean why can't we make a pedal car (like we had when we were kids, remember??) out of lightweight metal that has 2 front seats and a supply bed for groceries and supplies, etc., and a set of pedals in front of each person, on the floor, so that either person could pedal the car. The pedals would have to have about 23 gears to get up to high speed or get up hills etc. but this would be a great adjustment, and do a lot to improve the world situation. They would have to have very lightweight metal frames, resembling a bicycle, but being a car. If it's cold out you might have to bundle up. If it's raining you throw on the top. People would be healthier and so would the whole planet. It's only a partial solution though because it wouldn't be too good on steep hills and would have some weight limitations too, but might work very well in flat areas or for localized gettin around. I don't know...hmm...
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I like this idea, at least for shorter distances in cities... I have gotten around via bicycle for a good part of my life, so I guess naturally I am partial to an idea like this. In fact I rode eight miles today to get to places I wanted to go. Maybe it could also be equipped with a hydro-engine, like a high-powered steam engine. I read a long time ago that the Germans have invented a car that runs on water (I don't have a link, but there may be info about it somewhere.)
starry-eyed pirate:
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Paul St. John wrote:
quote="starry-eyed pirate"]Well...le's see...I don't know anyone who leads a just and moral life. If you drive a car, and import your food and other goods, like tools and clothes and furniture from halfway around the world you're not living justly.
That's some statement alright. Care to explain why? I would say that If halfway around the world goods are being produced by people willing to part with them at a better price, giving your business to them is the JUST thing to do. The person who would go this direction of trading with those across the world has a just mind, and yet at the same time, justice in the truest sense cannot be even applied to this situation, because who you choose to trade you with, and what things you choose to purchase, and do with your earned money is your business! That is justice.
So let me get this straight, cause I can't believe you really mean what you wrote here.
What you are telling me is that Justice has no place in peoples private business
What I wrote, is that justice does not pertain to whom you buy your goods from, as it is your choice. One of the primary functions of justice is to uphold and protect people's right to use and dispense of their own goods and earned wealth as they see fit. For example. I would disagree with a person who refuses to do business with others based on their ethnic background, but at the same time, no one has the right to force him/her to.
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Justice is not relative. It is an absolute and is not merely limited to the exchange of goods and services between 2 parties as they "see fit" but is also concerned with the effect of said business deal on the world as a whole.
starry-eyed pirate:
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--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" ---regardless of the acidification of our oceans,
and the burning and clearing of the worlds rain forests, the degradation of air quality, or the toxification of the water table, the eradication of indigenous, sustainable cultures, and unique animal/plant species, etc. Is that what you mean to convey ?? I hope not.
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Most of these things are WAY overstated by pseudo-scientists, and others who just do not know what they are talking ab out. As to the extent, to which there is some truth, progress always has issues along the way, and the only people who don t notice that are the people who do not do anything. We are always finding better ways to do things. It is very hard to be perfect all the time.. Of course, if you do absolutely nothing at all, yuo will make no mistakes, and it is very easy to critique those who do. the one specific thing I would actually like to address is about the sustainable, indigenous cultures. No one has killed them or anything, and it could be taken that way, the way you put it.
But all in all, I am not going to lie, I care more about people then about rain forests, oceans, or plant species.
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Man you are really missin it.
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" --- The easiest way to manipulate someone is by subverting the ego..
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Yeah, that's what I said...kinda. I don't know, is subversion, manipulation ??
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" --- That is precisely what is done in Straights and similar programs.. They break down your ego. They try to convince you that your ego is false, so that you turn agianst it. Look up 'ego' in the dictionary, because it is possible that you and I are going on different definitions here.
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These things are always difficult to discuss or write about...the nature of the ego and transcendence...justice...
In $tr8 and other programs the process of the brainwash begins with the destruction of the individual's social coping skills and an assault on the ego. This is only the first part of the process. Once your natural ego is attrophied sufficiently a new program ego is grafted on to the ol root, just like an apple tree, and you are systematically attached to the values and ideas of the program. People end up surrendering their integrity and sense of justice because they don't recognize their own ego for what it is. They identify themselves with it, instead of with the transcendent and so are easily manipulated and controlled by appeals to the ego. That's how people are manipulated and exploited and made the tools of injustice every day all over the world.
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