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What is the economy anyway ??
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---It's not the root of all evil.
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No, it's not. Injustice is generally rooted in the ego consciousness and the inability to recognize the ego for what it is.
--- Quote from: "Samara" --- ... currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.
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Currency is here to stay, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't see it for what it is and be able to discuss the ways that using currency effects the lives of the people. The idea that there is no point in discussing economic justice or justice in general or what you refer to here, as a "Walden Utopia", strikes me as defensive and irrational and reactionary and seems to imply guilt. Why do you make a caricature of Justice ??
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "Samara" --- As long as there are humans....
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...yeah, right, but that doesn't mean that our lives don't have inherent worth or value or that we should all just throw in the towel and forget what justice is. Just another excuse not to look at whats happening.
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "Loli" ---Ignorant or apathetic? Or optimistic? Or comfortable with uncertainty... or just livin' in the moment?
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... :roflmao: ...optimistic ?? or just self serving and greedy ??
Comfortable with uncertainty ?? Please. :rofl: I thought all of civilization was an attempt to arrest uncertainty. That must be why the insurance industry is collapsing, because everyone is so comfortable with uncertainty.
Samara:
I think you are purposely misunderstanding what I'm saying, Friend.
... :roflmao: ...optimistic ?? or just self serving and greedy ??
I am saying there are many world views. People are allowed to be optimistic if they choose... I certainly wouldn't call optimists self serving and greedy. I know plenty of people who are not.
Comfortable with uncertainty ?? Please. :rofl: I thought all of civilization was an attempt to arrest uncertainty. That must be why the insurance industry is collapsing, because everyone is so comfortable with uncertainty.
Some people are comfortable with uncertainty. Especially when they have insurance... :) But when it comes to global implosion, there is not much I can do individually. I can't predict the how/what/why/when. So, why belabor it? I'm not gonna live in a constant state of sturm and drang and angst that's for fucking sure.
...yeah, right, but that doesn't mean that our lives don't have inherent worth or value or that we should all just throw in the towel and forget what justice is. Just another excuse not to look at whats happening.
Who throwing in the towel and forgetting what justice is? Just because I won't live in a state of constant weltschmerz doesn't mean I forgot justice. Justice/Fairness is extremely important to me. I try to live my life that way.
No, it's not. Injustice is generally rooted in the ego consciousness and the inability to recognize the ego for what it is.
I don't need psychobabble on ego consciousness to know injustice blows.
Samara wrote: ... currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.
Currency is here to stay, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't see it for what it is and be able to discuss the ways that using currency effects the lives of the people. The idea that there is no point in discussing economic justice or justice in general or what you refer to here, as a "Walden Utopia", strikes me as defensive and irrational and reactionary and seems to imply guilt. Why do you make a caricature of Justice ??
Defensive, irrational, and guilty? Are you projecting? Don't assume where I am coming from. All I said was currency whether trade or other currency is here to stay. Period. It's never been infallibly fair. Life has never been fair. Yet, I still strive as an individual to be fair and promote fairness. I never said there is no point in discussing economic unfairness but you seem to vacillate between pie in the sky idealism and total pessimism - which is no solution at all. So there is a point in discussing - but why use circular, elliptical reasoning? And generally,people with their knickers twisted should be living what they advocate instead of clocking others on the head with rantings, accusations and ideologies.
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---I think you are purposely misunderstanding what I'm saying, Friend.
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Why would I do that ??
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... :roflmao: ...optimistic ?? or just self serving and greedy ??
I am saying there are many world views. People are allowed to be optimistic if they choose.
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I agree
--- Quote from: "Samara" --- I certainly wouldn't call optimists self serving and greedy. I know plenty of people who are not. [/b]
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I didn't mean to imply that optimists are self serving and greedy. I meant to question whether or not these optimists are genuinely optimistic or if they simply serve their own purposes.
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---Comfortable with uncertainty ?? Please. :rofl: I thought all of civilization was an attempt to arrest uncertainty. That must be why the insurance industry is collapsing, because everyone is so comfortable with uncertainty.
Some people are comfortable with uncertainty. Especially when they have insurance... :) But when it comes to global implosion, there is not much I can do individually. I can't predict the how/what/why/when. So, why belabor it? I'm not gonna live in a constant state of sturm and drang and angst that's for fucking sure.
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That quote about the triumph of evil requiring good folks to do nothing comes to mind and whatever the reality, humor heals, but if one seeks to adjust reality to suit their humor, there will be a shallow and unrewarding result. My friends and I share a good bit of humor concerning the injustices of the world.
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---...yeah, right, but that doesn't mean that our lives don't have inherent worth or value or that we should all just throw in the towel and forget what justice is. Just another excuse not to look at whats happening.
Who throwing in the towel and forgetting what justice is? Just because I won't live in a state of constant weltschmerz doesn't mean I forgot justice. Justice/Fairness is extremely important to me. I try to live my life that way.
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You misunderstand me if you think I am asking you to live in a constant state of weltschmerz.
--- Quote from: "Samara" ---No, it's not. Injustice is generally rooted in the ego consciousness and the inability to recognize the ego for what it is.
I don't need psychobabble on ego consciousness to know injustice blows.
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Yeah, I didn't think you did. I was responding to the idea that money was evil. Though money is made the tool of injustice daily it seems to me that what we call evil really resides in the in the ego consciousness and the inability to see ones own ego in all it's subtle forms.
--- Quote from: "Samara" --- Samara wrote: ... currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.
Currency is here to stay, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't see it for what it is and be able to discuss the ways that using currency effects the lives of the people. The idea that there is no point in discussing economic justice or justice in general or what you refer to here, as a "Walden Utopia", strikes me as defensive and irrational and reactionary and seems to imply guilt. Why do you make a caricature of Justice ??
Defensive, irrational, and guilty? Are you projecting? Don't assume where I am coming from. All I said was currency whether trade or other currency is here to stay. Period. It's never been infallibly fair. Life has never been fair. Yet, I still strive as an individual to be fair and promote fairness. I never said there is no point in discussing economic unfairness but you seem to vacillate between pie in the sky idealism and total pessimism - which is no solution at all. So there is a point in discussing - but why use circular, elliptical reasoning? And generally,people with their knickers twisted should be living what they advocate instead of clocking others on the head with rantings, accusations and ideologies.
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Sorry, if I misunderstood you.
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