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--- Quote ---You used Watergate as an example. Do you really think Obama could be facing a Watergate type scandal? I mean, something that big? Yes I do. I hope not. That is what is going on right now – I’m trying to explain that part of it to you but maybe I’m not doing a good enough job of it. There are those in the party – the Democratic Party, who are right now actively preparing for that possible outcome and taking protective measures to protect the party. Let Obama go down for it – but save the party. President Obama in turn – at least those around him who are capable enough still to function in that way, are trying to keep the party entangled in the mess, to motivate them to continue protecting the White House. THAT is what is going on right now. And the stakes are very high – the repercussions very serious. That is why I keep telling you to fully appreciate the dangers here. This stuff is no joke. That is why I came to you. If this goes bad, and it could just like that, I can pull the plug. And make no mistake – I will.
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White House Insider: Clintons, Scandals, and the Birth Certificate..
Published by Ulsterman on November 9, 2010 in World Politics
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Part two of our latest White House Insider series.
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Do you mind if we switch gears just a bit? With the short time we have left I want to throw a bunch of questions at you. Is that ok? Sure – fire away kid. No promise I’ll give you an answer though.
Ok – so you still think Hillary Clinton is thinking of running for President in 2012? Yes.
What will be the biggest factor in her final decision? The economy. If it does not improve she is in. She will run.
How long before that decision is made by her? By spring – a few more months or so. But she won’t be the first to jump in against Obama. Word is there will be a break the ice candidate.
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Break the ice candidate? What is that? Someone will step in to challenge Obama – break the ice. That will allow Hillary to come in after and not be the party crasher so to speak. The first candidate comes in and creates the chaos – she follows after to calm it all down and play up her experience. She is saving the party and saving the country. If Hillary gets into the race for president, some version of that process is how it will go down.
You know this? How? There is no real “know” in politics. Things are changing – but Hillary wants in. She wants to be president. So, now they just have to wait and plan for the right opportunity. That opportunity may come, and it may not. They are looking at deciding by spring though, that much I do know. For instance, if the scandal breaks – that would give her a prime opportunity to step in now wouldn’t it?
Yes, I guess it would. If Hillary Clinton were to seek the presidency, would you support her? Absolutely – I have said that to you already. Yes, I would absolutely support her. And I would gladly be a part of her campaign. Hey Hillary – call me! (laughs)
How about the new Republican Congress? Do you think they will get those Bush tax cuts extended? Probably. The Democrats are trying to exclude the top bracket cuts. Make the issue about the Republicans wanting to protect the rich. That’s from a very old playbook, right? The Republicans are aware of that trap, and will work to give a blanket extension for all tax payers. In the end you will see the lower brackets given the permanent extension and the upper brackets given a temporary extension – say two years.
Why two years? Because that will work in the Democrats’ favor for 2012. They will be able to once again say how the Republicans want to give tax cuts to the rich. It’s a simple trap – but the Republicans are stupid enough to fall for it. Just watch. 50/50 they actually fall for it. Boehner…he’s not all that bright you know.
Even with Democrats like yourself being so open about it? The “trap” that is? Sure. This little blog of yours won’t make one difference on that. The media is already trying to set it up for Democrats. The messaging is already initiated. Look for the Republicans to make the same mistake the Democrats did after 2008 – thinking the American people are on their side. No – the American people despise both parties. Well, now that Republicans won back the House in 2010, they can once again be painted as the party for the rich, for the bankers, for big business, etc. With a Republican Speaker, it will make that task much easier for us. Losing the House has made me far more hopeful that Democrats can do well – or at least much better, in 2012. There will be a lot of bumps along the way, but our chances have greatly improved.
You sound a lot more positive than you were before. What happened to all the crisis in the Democratic Party talk? Oh, the party is still in crisis, and there is going to be much more to come…what’s that saying? First comes denial, then anger, and finally acceptance. Maybe I’m at the acceptance stage now. People in the party are talking, things are forming, I see a new and stronger direction for 2012 and beyond. Unless of course, Nancy Pelosi somehow manages to keep her leadership role within the party. That would be…incredibly stupid of us. But you never know what Democrats are capable of right? If Pelosi retains her position, there will be more staff leaving the White House because that will signal the party has truly lost its political compass and the White House will have been proven powerless in correcting it. Nobody wants to work for a loser. The poor bastards who were around for Carter – it took them years to recover their careers, and some never really did.
How likely is it she keeps her role as Democrat leader in the House? She is out. I just cannot see it happening – her being allowed to be minority leader. No way. Yeah, it could happen – it’s possible, but very unlikely. And if it does happen…well, you can throw all of my hope for 2012 out the window. Pelosi is too mixed up in what is coming at us in the coming months.
The White House scandal? Yes, that, and the ethics investigations of Rangel and Waters, and likely some others. The Republicans will drag those out for optimal impact. We know that – we’ve accepted that. Having Pelosi out in front as the face of the party during this time would be a horrible decision.
Specifically on the White House scandal again – I was told a report was coming soon. Something from a mainstream media outlet. Have you heard something similar? Where did you hear that? Your newspaper days coming back to you now?
Just something I heard – reliably. Have you heard anything similar? (pause) Yes. Many people have. This thing is percolating just under the surface right now. Sooner – not later, the pot is gonna start boiling. Yeah, someone is about to test the waters with this thing. I’ve heard that. Then again, I’ve heard that for a while now, so who knows, huh? I’d watch yourself though – told you that before. Be very careful who you are talking to on this. These people don’t play nice.
But nothing more specific? A name? No-no-no. Not going there – not yet. I don’t have the protection. Read the Times. Somebody there has sniffed it out. And a guy over at the Post. If the Post starts to get on it, the Times will probably go ahead and break it open, loyalty to the White House be damned. I told you before, parts of the story have already been given out publicly here and there. One part will lead to another and then another. It’s underway right now. Every week a little bit more shows itself.
You really like this cloak and dagger stuff don’t you? (laughs) Yeah, I suppose I do. But I also take it seriously, and you should too. Your blog thing is reaching the eyes and ears of some people very high up, and it’s driving them absolutely nuts.
Ok, I gotta ask this. And I don’t mean any disrespect to you but so many of my readers bring this up and some of them make pretty credible arguments on the subject that I’ve wanted to ask you about it for awhile…(leans forward) You got my attention – what’s the question?
The birth certificate issue…is it…is there some validity to… (eyebrows raise up) You’re going to ask me a Birther question! (laughs) I’m not laughing at the question, I’m laughing at how uncomfortable you are in trying to ask it!
Well, it does seem to go right into full on conspiracy stuff which I don’t like to pay much attention to. Hey, almost every great government scandal began as a silly conspiracy right? It’s how one side effectively discredits the other – just call them crazy. I have done it many times. Not so much because I enjoy it but because it works.
So…any truth to the birth certificate thing? Hell if I know – and I’m not sure I want to know. Do you realize the mess that would create if it was true? There would be violence of the kind this country has not seen in our lifetimes – or at least your lifetime. I forget sometimes how old I really am.
C’mon, you’re dancing around it. Is there any credibility to it? (leans back, folds arms across chest) Look, I will say this- people seem to have spent a considerable amount of time and money keeping others from finding out. I don’t know why more than to say this president has been very protective of almost everything in his past. From college transcripts to medical records to writings…he’s clearly very concerned with his privacy. I don’t necessarily fault him for that, but it does make you wonder – I understand that. If you are asking me if Obama is an American I say yes. I have no doubt about that. If you are asking me if Obama was born in America…
That’s exactly what I am asking you. Yeah…that one is a little tougher to say. I sure as hell hope so, because if he wasn’t, and somebody is able to prove it – holy hell we got problems.
You really think President Obama might not have been born in America? Whoa – don’t take it that far, ok? I’m not comfortable with you putting it quite like that. It’s not so much I don’t think he was born in America, it’s more that I am open to the possibility of that. Or I’m at least sympathetic to people who wonder about it themselves. But I don’t want to go there – it’s irrelevant to me. It’s too dangerous to consider. And it’s Obama’s own fault. He has covered up his past. Beyond his books, which frankly from what I have seen of him firsthand I don’t think he wrote entirely himself, there really is very little we know about the guy. The one most responsible for all of these conspiracy stories is Barack Obama. When you have White House staff – people who were involved in the day to day decisions coming out of the West Wing saying they have no clue who Obama really is, that shows an environment that is going to create a lot of this conspiracy stuff surrounding the president. And how about I ask you what you believe? Do you think Obama wasn’t born in America?
I’m not sure. I used to ignore that talk. Now I’m not sure. Like you said, there has been so much cover up of his past. Why? And you seem to have the same kind of doubts I do. Hmmm…I wouldn’t go quite that far. I think you want to believe in that Birther stuff. I don’t. I hope to God it’s not true. You on the other hand…
Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I don’t want it to be true either, I am just starting to wonder if…well, it appears there is smoke and maybe there’s fire. Fair enough. I can understand that.
So I take it this White House scandal you’ve been talking about has nothing to do with the birth certificate issue? No – not to my knowledge, no. Good lord, no. Don’t tie me up to that subject matter! And we gotta wrap this one up, ok?
Nervous? No – just in a hurry. We can pick this up again when I have more to tell you.
One last question. Make it quick please.
Who is the next to leave the White House? You correctly predicted Summers and Emanuel before anyone else. Can you give me another prediction on who the next administration figure who is on the way out? Sure – but there is going to be a whole rash of departures coming up you know. Top to bottom.
Can you give me a big name – somebody important who is leaving? You testing me?
Maybe – just seeing if you are still getting good information. Oh – I see. I’m only as good as my last success, is that it?
Sure – something like that. Gibbs.
Gibbs? Yeah – the fat -expletive- Gibbs is gone. And good riddance.
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What is he? (Obama)
President Obama is…well now I guess that’s just it, isn’t it? We don’t know. He is so incompetent…so wrapped up in this image that was created around him, and now so over his head…Obama is dangerous. Dangerous to America. Dangerous to the world. Dangerous to our futures. He is not running this show. Maybe that’s for the better – who knows? Maybe he is so incapable that if he really was in charge it might be even worse?
I tell you what – if you don’t mind my suggestion here. Let me just talk for a bit. Let me just let some things out. I might ramble a bit, but if you’re ok with that – we can clean it up later…just let me talk. All due respect for your wanting to ask certain questions, but…at this point I want to say some things in my own way if you don’t mind. You ok with that?
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Absolutely. Proceed.
(Long pause – then laughs) Ah…looks like I don’t quite know how to start. My own idea and I haven’t a clue where to begin.
Maybe tell me when you first started to realize something was wrong with Obama. When you realized electing him was a mistake. We covered some of that already before, but now you can just talk about it. I won’t interrupt – you just say what you want to say and go from there.
(Hands cover face, followed by a deep sigh) Yeah…I guess that would work. Remember when I told you about the First Lady’s racist comment? The redneck thing? Yeah – you do. Ok…I thought about quitting the campaign then. That episode really…it really – I was pissed over it. But then I ignored it. Buried it away. Now why did I do that? What she said, her attitude, was so disrespectful to that man, to his family – why did I just decide to ignore it and move on with the campaign? I’ve asked myself that many times. I was weak. I was…I wanted so bad to be a part of a winning campaign again. And I had already been told I would have a chance to get back inside the White House – if just a little bit. I hadn’t done that for some time and I missed it. I know some of your readers, maybe even you do too…think of me as just another Democrat. Look, I’m proud to say I’m a Democrat. We have some wonderful, brilliant people in the party. And I love this country… sorry if that sounds like a stupid cliché. And yeah, I love politics. I love the action, the give and take, and I guess the power. I love that too. Being near that kind of power. So I let it go. What the First Lady said – I let it go. I stayed on because I wanted back in. I sold out. I wanted to be a part of something really big, and in 2008, nothing was bigger than the Obama campaign. Nothing.
Well, that doesn’t really have anything to do with my realizing Obama was off – that he wasn’t what we thought he was. But it does give a reference point for my frame of mind. I stayed on, but that situation – the racism, the disrespect I saw by the First Lady, it stayed with me, so that when I did get a chance to go back to the White House during the transitioning, maybe my eyes were a bit more open to the truth than some others around me. I had already been disappointed you see. Some doubt had already started to grow about these people.
(Pauses) …So, jump ahead a bit. I had been in and out of the White House a few times by then, it was very busy. A ton of people coming and going as is always the case during the transition. That is when I started to realize that it didn’t feel like the “Obama White House”. There was no real…not sure how to really explain this – but there was no real sense of Obama. Here was this guy who I saw give these incredible speeches. He looked huge on that stage. He looked invincible. He looked like a president. While in the White House, I never saw him or hardly heard of him for weeks. He was a ghost. Anything needed to be cleared, you spoke with people you never heard of before. Who were these people? Even early on in 2009 Rahm’s position as Chief of Staff was being challenged by Jarrett, with Axelrod trying to keep the peace between the two. She didn’t trust Rahm immediately – he was of the Clintons, and that was never to be trusted – but keep him close right? Keep your enemies closer right? Very Machiavellian – that was Jarrett’s White House even as early as then. Keep your head down and don’t make a fuss. And watch your back. Everyone was uncertain. The president was absent. He literally was not there. Where was he? Nobody knew – or nobody was saying. The big decisions – those all went through Jarrett. All of them. The First Lady was more visible around the West Wing than the newly elected President of the United States. It was…odd.
And then, finally, I was to be part of a meeting that Obama was going to attend. We were told he would be stopping by. I never spoke directly about this to you before – or if I did, we must have edited it out. I don’t recall now. But finally I was going to be in the room with this man I had helped to elect. The president arrived about 20 minutes late. I say that only as a matter of truth to counter the media’s spin that Obama runs a very tight ship – that he is always on time. At least that is what they were spinning back then. Not so much anymore. But back then that was how Obama was being presented by the media to the America people – a guy who was in total control. Hell, based on what I had seen of him giving those speeches, I fully expected to see that kind of person – that kind of president.
That’s not what I got.
So he showed up late, like I said. He looked good – just like the campaign. He sat down and said, “Welcome everybody!” He turned to a person to his right who I did not know at the time, a younger man, and the president smiled and nodded to him. Then he looked over at Valerie Jarrett, who sat in a chair behind the president – she was sitting against the wall – watching. I didn’t even realize she was in the room until the president looked over at her. There was prolonged silence. The president folded his hands on the desk and smiled again. Then he unfolded his hands and leaned back in his chair. More silence. He looked over again at the man to his right who then gave the president an agenda for the meeting. Now I know enough about how these things work to know that the president must have been given that agenda long before he stepped into the room. Every minute of a president’s day is meticulously mapped out beforehand. So this thing, which might seem like a minor detail to some, set off my alarms. What was going on here? Why was the president being handed an agenda that he must have already been given earlier?
So Obama looks down at the paper and then looks back up at all of us. He smiles again and then gives off this nervous little laugh. Now the country is pretty familiar with that laugh these days, but it was the first time I had heard it, and it didn’t do anything to alleviate just how odd this meeting was playing out. The president recognized someone else at the table and asked for them to begin with item two on the agenda. Do you want to know what item one on the agenda was? It read: Greetings and introductions by President of the United States. Apparently that item one…well, apparently the president thought he had just handled that part and so it was on to item two. Of course the gentleman he asked to start on item two had no idea what he was to say, and the man to the president’s right stepped in and proceeded to handle that item himself. The president appeared completely unaware of his mistake, or maybe he just didn’t care. The mood in the room had gone from excitement at getting to see the president to one of being very uncomfortable. If President Obama was unable to handle a simple meeting among secondary staff, how in the hell was he going to be able to run the damn country?
Eventually the meeting did get underway with participation from a number of us in that room, but during that time, which was no more than say, fifteen minutes, the president said almost nothing. He would smile, he would nod, and he would turn to Jarrett to confirm if something that was said was correct, or agreeable. The only time the president showed any sign of life was when someone made a reference to basketball. Then he became far more animated – but that only lasted for a brief moment and he returned to his silent nodding and smiling. Even though the meeting lasted those 15 minutes at the most, it felt much longer simply because it was so –expletive- uncomfortable. After another episode of silence, Jarrett cleared her throat and declared to us that the president was needed elsewhere. As soon as she said that, Obama shot up from his seat and gave that same weird smile of his that he had on when he first came in, a brief “thanks for the talk”, and then headed out the door with Jarrett close behind. I was looking around the table and saw some people acting as if the president’s behavior was completely normal, but a few others were, like me, clearly unsettled by what we had just seen. Something was not right with this president.
That is when I started to ask questions. As quietly as possible, with those few I already knew, and later a few others I grew to know later, I asked questions about what was going on with President Obama, and the answers I got back were…troubling. That is when I realized we had possibly made a terrible-terrible mistake in electing this man. That’s also when I learned that the infighting among the staff was so terribly bad, the president’s smoking – his health, was an ongoing concern, and that his interest in the actual job of being president was non-existent and had largely been given over to Valerie Jarrett, though at the time there was a still a struggle for power between her and Rahm.
(Pause) …This might not fit entirely with our timeline here, maybe I’m jumping off track a bit, but I want to say something about Rahm Emanuel if that is ok with you. Set the record straight – or at least clarify how your readers view Rahm. That ok with you?
Sure – like we agreed, you just speak your mind now. Say what you want.
Ok – thanks. Good-good. Well, Rahm…Rahm Emanuel is a classic DC operative at the highest level. A proven commodity. The guy is tough, smart, and very-very good at working the system. And I say that with absolute respect. Now you gotta understand something here – he was Chief of Staff at the Obama White House. Now that is a very powerful position, right? Serious-serious power. The kind of power Rahm enjoys having. That’s not saying anything derogatory against him – he enjoys power, and there are few positions in this country more powerful than the one he held at the Obama White House. Problem is, that position had all but been cut off at the knees by Jarrett. Rahm’s job was reduced almost entirely to acting as a liaison between the White House and Congress. He quickly became Jarrett’s messenger between Pelosi, Reid, and Jarrett. Axelrod was in the mix too, but he was secondary. He was already preparing an exit for himself by that time – most people don’t know that, but that’s what he was doing. He had come to the realization that Obama was a great candidate but a lousy leader.
Anyways, I guess what I’m getting at here is that what led Rahm to pursue politics back in Chicago had nothing to do with helping Obama out. Nothing. It had everything to do with Rahm wanting out of the Obama administration, and the administration doing everything it could to see him gone. Jarrett was pushing him out, as was the First Lady, and ultimately, Rahm let them do it. He no longer wanted to fight for a White House he saw as a growing internal disaster. “These people are –expletive- clueless.”
So now Rahm has the keys to Chicago, keys that can unlock a lot of things very…uncomfortable to Obama, Jarrett, Michelle – the whole lot of them. Rahm is no friend to the Obama White House. I want to make that very-very clear to you. The president all but mocked Emanuel as he left. The Chicago unions fought against Rahm. A lawyer close to the Obama machine fought against Rahm. I am certain Organizing for America monies were spent against Rahm in those fights. The Obama people were and still are, crawling all over Chicago. They did not want Rahm Emanuel as Mayor of Chicago. No way in hell did they want that – but that’s what happened now isn’t it?
Rahm Emanuel didn’t go back to Chicago to help protect Barack Obama. Rahm Emanuel went back to Chicago to have the power to help destroy the whole myth of Barack Obama – or even more importantly, to destroy Valerie Jarrett and her entire collection of kooks that is the Obama White House. The bodies buried in Chicago…it’s time for somebody to start digging them up don’t you think? Who better to do that than Rahm Emanuel…
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LOL, I haven't seen this many random insinuations since Whooter was still here.
If there was anything of substance in this, he would have said it. Instead it's just a long, long string of blather. There's nothing THERE. "If you look back at Chicago..." And find what, exactly?
You've been trolled Buzzkill.
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So let’s get to it then. Is Obama re-elected in 2012?
Can’t say for certain – nothing certain in this game. Odds on…yeah. He is re-elected in 2012. It appears the economy is turning, or at least it is being successfully spun that way.
So at this point, everything depends on the economy?
In presidential politics the economy is always the single most important factor. Everything else is secondary. Everything.
But what about a big scandal? What about the big scandal? The one you hinted at several times before?
(Sighs) Yeah…what about it then? You tell me. What about it…
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That doesn’t sound too encouraging. So the scandal – it doesn’t exist?
Oh, it exists. It’s out there. Parts here and there you know? Pieces of the puzzle. Look, I was led to believe it was evolving and would break out either right before or soon after the November elections. That didn’t happen. I think I shared some of this with you before, right? I shared it with you – maybe someone else. Some others. Getting hard to keep track of all of this…anyways, when Pelosi didn’t leave, she stayed on…that shook us up pretty bad. Something went down that we did not see coming, we didn’t know what, or who, or why, or how…the shit just hit the fan and we were caught flat footed. Not a good thing in this business. Not when you’re dealing with these kinds of forces. I’m not too proud to say I was scared at that moment. Really shook up. And I’ve been in a few political shit-storms in my day.
I remember. So has the fear gone along with the scandal? Just like that?
No…not “just like that”. I still have concerns. But I’m more frustrated than anything these days. Really frustrated. And damn tired. Granted, the last few months have been very good for me – we pulled away and won it, and that is always a nice thing to be a part of. Can’t hurt the resume, right? But regarding that scandal you keep hitting on – I understand you’re wanting to see it happen. We all did. We still do – and it just might yet…but the situation has changed. The president is in a stronger position now than he was just a couple months ago.
This is starting to feel like you called me in here to end this. To wrap it up. Have you given up?
(Long pause) It ain’t dark yet…but it’s getting there. Here is where I’m at in this thing. The move to get real political pressure against this White House, from both outside and in – that was the plan underway, that is what we were working to pull off. It didn’t evolve much beyond pissing off a few people, and scaring a few more. Certain things needed to happen that did not. So I backed off. We backed off. One guy up and quit it. Dropped it. Left. That was a big loss to what we were trying to accomplish. When you first published what I was telling you…much of it, was coming first hand, or very near to the source, right? I know what I saw. Know what I heard. Know what I was told by those in the room. Then time went on, and the information I relayed to you was second hand, or even more speculative than that. Not wrong necessarily, just not…secure, or maybe quite as accurate. We had people in Congress though…contacts that went very high up. People we had worked with, for, long term deals. Good people. That’s where much of the Pelosi information originated from. And later, the Issa details. But now…
(Interrupts) So you got no sources? No access? How long has this been for? How long has…
(Interrupts) That’s not what I said. Not at all. What I’ve sent you was good information for the most part – at least as good as I had at the time. Maybe not quite as timely as before. And there are still sources to that kind of information, but basically, the motivation is greatly diminished.
Whose motivation? Yours? Your sources?
Yeah – all of the above. My motivation…do I want to keep banging my head against this wall? Will it make a difference? People far higher up in this chain have backed away from it. If I don’t have them helping out, then why bother? What for? Financially, this year has been good to me, and I likely got a bit more work coming by summer and if I want to go one more time around the track, into 2012. Then I’m done. Maybe a book. Maybe a little consulting on the side. Maybe just more fishing. Maybe I’ll just disappear…
I got so many questions I don’t know where to start…you keep referring to “we”, as in “we had contacts”, “what we were trying to accomplish”. Care to elaborate on who you’re talking about? That might be a good start at this point.
No, I won’t elaborate on that – and you know better than to ask. You tried that before didn’t you? It’s not the first time I’ve used that term with you. We as in those in the Democratic Party who were shocked, or disappointed, or concerned over the impact the Obama White House was having on the party, on people in the party who were being forced out, and at least for a time, were willing to entertain the idea of trying to prevent the administration from inflicting more damage. Of wanting to push back – hard, against Obama and more importantly, Jarrett.
(Interrupts) You already said that – but you also said it was more than that, right? That you were afraid for the country. That Obama was so inept, so clueless – you used that exact term, that the country was going to be harmed, right? So are you saying you don’t feel that way anymore? That you’ll just collect another fat campaign check in 2012 and call it a day? Is that what you’re saying, because if it is…if it is, you can go –expletive- yourself.
(Laughs) There it is! There’s the Irish in you! (pauses)…I understand your anger. I knew you wouldn’t be happy to hear what I have to say. I’m sorry to disappoint you but we tried and it didn’t work. The donors threatened Obama, but most of then are back on board. Pelosi stayed on. Issa doesn’t appear to be making any serious move against the administration. The president is feeling far more confident these days because of it, and so his vulnerability is much less. People are more afraid to move against him – especially those within the party. Look, this thing was a long-shot. You knew that. But now it’s time to move on. I need to move on. You need to move on.
No. I’m not ready to just quit. I’m not ready to watch six more years of an Obama administration. America is barely surviving the last two. What will the next six bring? Don’t you care about that? You have family. Don’t you worry about that? You have information – come out and share it. Leak it. Get it to the media. No more cloak and dagger. No more manipulating. Just come out with it.
That’s not going to happen. What’s that phrase – don’t go into a gunfight with a knife? I’ll get my ass handed to me – if I’m lucky. That’s not how things are done. Don’t be so idealistic and –expletive- dramatic. Look – I think you are not quite understanding my position here, or maybe I’m not communicating it like I need to. I’m not saying I’m just gonna up and quit this thing cold turkey. I still got some ideas – still got people interested in alternatives. But things have cooled off, ok? That’s it. It might be wise for us to take a step back and wait to see what unfolds. And as far as “leaking it” goes, that kind of thing is very tough to come by these days. Very-very tough.
I read a recent Politico article that stated the administration was clamping down on leaks. Going after people more than any other administration – I assumed that was the purge you had warned about a while back.
Yes. I was told there had been a number of meetings about information getting out. Jarrett was livid over it. As was the First Lady. It was partly why Axelrod left – he was unable to clamp down on the leaks. Probably had something to do with Gibbs going away as well. Don’t believe the bullshit reasons comin’ out of the administration. Rahm was blamed when he was there, and blamed even after he was forced out. They got Holder lookin’ in the weeds for anyone giving out information – especially information that might harm the president’s chances in 2012. That’s the real issue here – it’s not military secrets or anything like that – it’s things that might make Obama look foolish, incompetent – those are the leaks that has Jarrett and Michelle screaming for people’s heads. This White House, those people…they don’t care about America. They really don’t. It’s all about them. At every goddamn level of every goddamn thing they do – it’s all about them.
So why not keep fighting against it? Don’t stop – keep going.
Like I said, I’m not “stopping”. It’s more like…waiting it out for a bit. Maybe I’ll jump back into this thing, maybe someone will take the lead – in fact, I’m almost certain of that—
(Interrupts) Who? Who is taking over for you? Will I have access to their information? I’d be happy to help any way I can.
I know you would, and I appreciate it. I really do. As for who, what, or when – not positive at this point. Just a gut feeling that somebody is gonna step up, and it could very well be somebody with a lot more pull and punch than I got left in me. And a somebody that can actually extract this scandal into the light of day – get that damn story out there without fear of a bullet to the back of the head – and I’m only half joking on that. You know that, right?
Yes, I’m well aware of that. You keep talking and talking about a scandal – but now you seem to think it won’t get out, or that it will take someone else to get it done. Why not you?
Because I can’t do it. I just can’t do it alone. No way. I’m not gonna put myself out there that far – that exposed. You got a Pelosi to do the heavy lifting that’s one thing. She would survive it. Hell, she woulda been stronger for it I think. But not me. It needs to be somebody higher up in the media, political structure, with Pelosi having stepped back from it, it needed to be Issa. We were counting on him to follow through. I don’t think that’s happening now.
Follow through with what? You said it would start with the DOJ and then head back to Chicago. What was it? Do you even know?
Specifically, no. Actually, yes – but not any one thing for certain…it’s so many things – such a deep dark pit. It was more a generalized “this is what is coming down the pike and it could lead all the way to the White House”. That was told to me directly by someone well in the know on such things, at the time anyways. They weren’t comfortable sharing it – but they weren’t exactly upset it existed either. Now they’re gone…(pauses) And Pelosi was livid against this White House – at least at the time. It got back to her the White House wanted her gone, that she was considered a big liability to the administration… she was very upset, and ready to go to war. She was even throwing out birther threats - you remember that? Then all of it just…vanished. Gone. Done. The information coming out of her office went silent. So after the elections we turned to Issa’s potential, as well as hoping for an assist from someone at the Post. There were assurances Issa had what was needed and was going to move the scandal forward. Then soon after I was told his office was meeting with Obama people more and more often – and more recently we get Holder just closing down the NBP investigation and not a word on it from Issa or other Republican leaders. So can we count on Issa? I don’t think so – and without that, then this thing goes from tough to impossible, right?
The Black Panther thing though…that doesn’t seem to have been enough of a scandal to impact the Obama White House. That wasn’t it was it?
First, I disagree with you there. It had potential to be big – not so much in the actual crime, but as is always the case – it’s the cover-up. That’s why I kept telling you to follow it. Our Justice Department is being run by racism. It is an extension of the racism that permeates the Obama White House. The First Lady, Valerie Jarrett, and yes, President Obama – all of them are consumed by the politics of race, division, retribution…and the NBP case ties directly to all of that.
But racism isn’t a crime.
No it isn’t – but government initiated discrimination is a crime. And that is what the NBP case represents. Did you hear the testimony of Holder? The “my people” thing? That is stunning stuff right there. Are you kidding me? “My people”? Tell me this country ain’t being run by racists after that! Tell me!
I still don’t see the Black Panther case as a scandal big enough to do much harm to Obama. What—
(Interrupts) No-no…you right on that. That was to be the catalyst…(pauses) sayin’ too much here maybe. This thing could still unfold – don’t wanna to say too much. The NBP situation was going to lead to further investigations into the Obama Justice Department. You see, it’s the Justice Department that is the firewall for the administration. For EVERTHING – and the stuff that could destroy the Obama White House…it starts at Justice, and then leads to Chicago. Now the evidence of that fact is already there. For Eric Holder to so visibly shut down the NBP case was actually a desperate move. That would not have happened without some panic having set in. He could be burned for that and maybe that’s the plan. Allow himself to be the fall guy, line up somebody else that will do just as good a job – perhaps better, at continuing to protect Obama – keep a lid on the information, the garbage, all the crap that surrounds who he is and where he came from. Probably be a white guy to minimize the charges of racism in the department. You’ve actually commented on some of that stuff more than you realize already. And I’ll say this – the numbers of Obama operatives running around Chicago these days is off the charts. This White House is spooked about that. Bank on it. No pun intended there.
You said earlier that Obama was more confident these days though…
He is. Pelosi backed off. Issa appears to have done the same. Holder is holding the line. Information coming out of Chicago is still being limited – clamped down upon. That doesn’t mean they aren’t nervous. They are. Watch the Blagojevich thing – the trial. The deal to be made. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And what happened to Rezko? That’s part of the same deal. A company called Companion Security…Blago, Rezko, the Feds. It’s all brewing – maybe boiling over? Of course the national media is burying all of this. Most of it – that’s partly why we gotta back off. The risk, the exposure, it’s too great. We need help – help that I thought was coming but never fully materialized.
Rezko? That could still be a problem for Obama?
(Laughs) Yeah – do you think? Hell yeah it could be a problem. The guy has been holed up in jail waiting for sentencing. Why? Why so long? Holder’s people are all over that thing – just like Blago. Obama is in the mix of that mess for sure. Does anybody really dispute that? But you see, it’s the Justice Department’s complicity in protecting Obama during the ongoing investigations – talking current crimes here now… that is what can really sink them. Not that there is just bank fraud, RICO laws that were broken, payoffs, intimidations, – that’s all basic Chicago business as usual, right? But now add the White House’s handling of all of that since Obama became President – now you got a presidential scandal. Now you got an investigation that leads to uncovering all of that mess. Now you got grounds to legally go after Holder, Jarrett, and even the President of the United States. Hell, throw in the First Lady too…
So you think President Obama should be impeached?
Impeached? -Expletive- no. That’s too good for him. President Obama should be arrested. What’s that word you used a while back – sedition? Well there you go – that pretty much sums up this whole stinking cesspool of a White House right there. Look, I was suspicious of this guy before – but based on what I was told these past few months…the man, those around him (pauses) …this president is the most corrupt thing to have sat in the White House in our lifetimes. Being part of that campaign in 2008…it makes me sick. Do you understand what I’m saying? Sick. To have played any part in getting him elected…Obama isn’t just incompetent…he’s something else. Something worse. I’ve been around a lot of asshole-arrogant politicians. Plenty of those. Even a few outright criminals. This is different. This is a whole other level of corrupt.
You say Obama is “something else” – something beyond just incompetent or arrogant…
What is he?
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