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SEIU Official Reveals Plan To Destroy JP Morgan

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justonemore:
I notice a lot, A LOT of 'shorthand' here.
The banks, the unions, ajax hasn't yet said Fat cats, yet, but it's there in subtext.
The banks..... the dollar lost virtually none of it's value between 1813 and 1913. lost near about 95% of it's value between 1913 and today. The fed was created in 1913.
Unions... while I agree that often workers need protection from management, it is more often that management needs protection from workers these days.
Job exportation... well. don't get me started. There are now, and only ever have been three means of wealth creation, and they are???, oh, O.K. they are Mining, Manufacturing, and Agriculture. All else is wealth transfer.
How did we as a nation, imagine that policies and regulations and laws that stifle these activities would benefit us. We imagined this nonsense because social engineers sold us the notion, through the promotion of junk education, junk finance, junk science, junk art, a full-court press against reason.
The United States became not a nation of technical innovation, or wealth creation, or even artistic innovation. (art and industry are jealous sisters, don't forget)
Naah, we've become a 'service sector' and 'consumer' economy.
A heroin addict is a consumer economy.
There are many separate threads that form the ecological, economic , social, spiritual disaster that our nation is becoming. Here are two.
A toxic, fatuous, sense of entitlement among a middle class that is divorced utterly from the means of production, the means of wealth production. ( Ministers and beaureaucrats imagine themselves superior to farmers and miners, police imagine themselves superior to citizens, Kids who've been to college imagine themselves smart.)
Arising from that, a philosophy of nihilism, expressed materially, physically. How else can i say it, except that the god of commercial engineering is " mean time between failure"...What a hell of a lousy way to think. Follow the reasoning and , if you have hearts and minds and souls you'll be as disgusted as i am.
J.O.M.

BuzzKill:
You've made a number of valid points and none I am willing to argue against. But lets take a closer look at this one:


--- Quote ---Unions... while I agree that often workers need protection from management, it is more often that management needs protection from workers these days.
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I think each needs protection from the narcissism and greed of the other - so - how can the people effected most by an imbalance of power either way best maintain an equilibrium that would benefit all?  Many people who want a reasonably strong union to protect them from being worked to death or starved often do not support what their union is doing politically or even in the negotiation room at times. How best to reform large unions to give the members more direct input into union policies?

Froderik:

--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---(beaureaucrats imagine themselves superior to farmers and miners, police imagine themselves superior to citizens, Kids who've been to college imagine themselves smart.)
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 :nods:  :nods:  :nods:

justonemore:
buzzkill; I feel it..... yet another of my diatribes Ravings? Harangues?
Outside of a sea change in thinking onthe part of management, and a sea change on the part of labor, I jes'dunno. I think part of the answer lies in the education in Business schools. John DeLorean writes about it quite convincingly. The disparity between pay of C.E.O.s, the inclusion of bonuses in 'legacy costs, insane hiring, promotion, firing and safety rules are all part of the problem. All sorts of madness prevail in the work place, and madness is not good business. It costs, it don't produce. Management does 'exploit'the worker, but it does so very inefficiently. Management so often exploits the worker, not the workers potential. Workers become cynical and in turn, exploit workplace rules so that "sexual harassment" becomes treated not  as a wrench in the gears, but rather as an effective tool of intimidation and revenge. We, whether as labor or management become de-humanized. ( i can't believe i just said de-humanized, and used it in a sentence, no less)  I believe that whether a bakery or a brewery, a farm or a factory, even a damn retail clothes store, people are best to pursue it as  a discipline. ( Not a religion!)
Too often management runs around banging a drum, waving a flag, without any clue beyond make money. People won't follow for long that way. People will follow if you are leading where they'd like to go. i believe that a principal factor in the decline of american production is illegal immigration, that undocs are used to leverage against the american worker, that safety, efficacy, profit, all suffer. Rather than listen to those people doing the dirty, demeaning, dangerous jobs,and finding ways to make them cleaner, safer, easier AND MORE PROFITABLE, hell, we'll just hire illegals, and take the short-term gain, cause although I'm C.E.O. today, i'll be gone tomorrow.  J.O.M.

Froderik:

--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---Rather than listen to those people doing the dirty, demeaning, dangerous jobs,and finding ways to make them cleaner, safer, easier AND MORE PROFITABLE, hell, we'll just hire illegals, and take the short-term gain, cause although I'm C.E.O. today, i'll be gone tomorrow. J.O.M.
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