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« on: December 19, 2003, 11:29:00 AM »
(Excerpted from the December Issue of the Source Magazine with absolutely no permission other than that granted under the First Amendment to further public policy discussion concerning the conditions under which some 2,200 American Citizens are being treated by the For-Profit affiliates of your favorite "not-for-profit" association.

I trust that these thoughtful words will reassure program parents and reformers alike during this holiday season. However, this may take practice. Enjoy the entire experience.)

"Jingle Bells...or Jingle Blues?
by Glenda Gabriel,  Editor of the Source Magazine,  Dec. 2003.

You're officially in the middle of the holiday season,  How's it going, thus far?  Dreadful or delightful?  Are you telling yourself its not possible to have a happy holiday season because your child is in a program?  Or are you celebrating the new choices they now have in front of them to create and achieve the potential you've always seen.? ...

    Life was out of balance prior to the Program.  I have yet to encounter a student who was demonstrating respect and appreciation toward their family prior to entering the Program.  These young people now have an opportunity to make new choices.  And so do you!  You get to choose whether or not your holidays will be wonderfuil or woeful...filled with gratefulness or grungies... peace or pity... jingle bells, or jingle blues.  Its your choice!"  

    "There are other people in your life besides your child in the Program; and they deserve to have a happy, joyous, holiday,  filled with fun... and that includes you too!  All of you haqve been put on the back burner while your 'Program Child' sucked the majority of your energy, attention, worry, stress and focus.  Enough already!  How does' Life in Balance' sound to you?  What a wonderful holiday gift that would be!"

(note: all breathless exclamation points were as contained in original article.)
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2003, 11:59:00 AM »
Tell the Grinches what they want to hear.  Like Ginger said, kids don't sign checks.  Their parents do. And what greater gift to give themselves than a free "NO GUILT" pass to help them celebrate the holidays without their children.  After all, it's just Christmas.

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2003, 01:47:00 PM »
Well Gee Whiz! Sure I want My holiday to be WONDERFUL! Only some dumb-ass with a terminal case of the grundgies would CHOSE to have holiday that was WOEFUL!  

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2003, 02:43:00 PM »
But just look at the tone of it. In another thread (Apologia...) we have a WWASP advocate telling us that the program doesn't emphasise that the kid is the problem, that the whole family is in treatment, yadda, yadda, yadda...

The truth is they only say that to the parents when they're trying to guilt trip them into doing something or into accepting something that their gut tells them to resist. The rest of the time it's "Hey, folks, enjoy your vacation. The little pain in the ass is our problem till we send him back to you!"

You should feel guilty about locking your kid up. You should be worried about them. Especially at Christmas.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2003, 02:53:00 PM »
Actually, I would have said, "IT's OKAY to feel whatever you are feeling."  Don't most parents with kids in the program this time of year miss the way it was during the holidays BEFORE all the chaos?  Don't a lot of families hold that image?  Isn't it natural and normal to miss the way it used to be?  Aren't the kids in the program missing their parents as well?  Maybe they're also missing those expensive presents they're not going to get this year. Could make the whole family focus on what's really important and look at that as a gift instead of the "things"
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 03:29:00 PM »
God, don't you get it? It will never, ever be the way it was before. Your kid is growing up, away, out of your control. They'll never be little again, no matter what you put them through or how strongly you convey the message to them about what fuckups you think they are now.

They will also never, ever again be the age they are now. They will never, ever forget the Chritsmas w/ TB going around or spent face down on the floor in OP or whatever.

If you're sad and worried about your kid this holliday season, follow your gut. Go and get your kid and let them come home for Christmas!

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for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2003, 09:23:00 PM »
Ginger writes:

You should feel guilty about locking your kid up. You should be worried about them. Especially at Christmas.
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If not guilty or worried, how about ASHAMED?  

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2003, 11:49:00 PM »
***Maybe they're also missing those expensive presents they're not going to get this year. Could make the whole family focus on what's really important and look at that as a gift instead of the "things".***

Anon, Who bought those expensive gifts? Who conditioned the child to expect expensive gifts? To believe they were the center of the universe, to feel 'entitled' to any and everything they desired, without any inkling of the realities of the world? Then when the kid hits the teen years s/he is blamed for the mistakes of the parent. Kid goes to the torture chamber while the parents take a break. A break from the manifestation of 'their' creation.
"We're going to punish you for the way your parents conditioned you. And make you believe that you are responsible for all of it. Your 'choices'". The focus should never had been on "things". Kids are not born selfish or narcissistic or angry or hopeless.

I'm sorry more really useful options aren't available to parents and teens.

Like, instead of Tough Love, maybe Teen Swap. I'll take your kid for 6 months, you take mine. I had this arrangement to some degree with the mom of my son's best friend. It was great!! She raved about what a prefect house guest he was. How responsible and helpful and courteous.

By 12-13, I think teens need to spend time with other families. I remember being curious about how other families operated. How they resolved conflict. How they made decisions. Divied up chores.

I had long summer visits with my country cousins (5) who lived with their parents and grandparents in a 3 bedroom house. It was heaven. Remember John Denver's song "Grandma's Feather Bed". I slept in that bed in my grandparents room and shared it with two cousins. We peed in a bucket at night and used an outhouse during the day.  I never missed the constant roar of a TV. There was something exciting and fun to do all day. Many opportunites to develop one's imagination. Sitting in the mulberry tree munching with the chickens. Picking plums, first a ripe one then a green...talk about sweet and sour. Playing marbles under the huge shade tree where no grass grew. Excavating tiny glass beads that were assumed to be 'Indian treasures'. Exploding firecrackers in cow paddies- no city ordinances. Going skinny dipping in the pond and cooking the fish we caught. Whitteling. Finger crocheting. Driving the '50 Chevy at 6, or riding on the hood down the lane to gather the cows from the south 40. Milk wars.. you'd be amazed at how far that stream can travel!! Having foot races through the corn patch. Walking the railroad track to pick dewberries. Eating watermelon on hot summer nights. Mammoth hotcakes with Brer Rabbit Syrup. Making homemade ice cream. It was a ritual. I felt honored to have the 'most important job' of sitting on the icecream maker while cousins took turns cranking. Everyone had a place and participated and enjoyed contributing. Doing laudry on a washboard and taking bathes in a #3 tub, with water we had drawn from the well and heated on the kerosine stove. Sleeping on cots outside with the legs immersed in water-filled tin cans to deter crawling critters, while older cousins pointed out constellations in the night sky. I never missed the city and begged my parents to let me live there, where life had a pulse.  

I felt sorry for my cousins because they only got one present at Xmas. When I was too young to understand, but already conditioned, I wondered if they were 'bad'. I couldn't imagine that. I'm glad I had both worlds, but it brings a tear to my eye that so many young people don't get to experience anything closed to this. Is it any wonder that the world is in the state it is in? SO many unnoticed and appreciated treasures and experiences.

Merry X-Mas (No More). I hope all the kids at programs can feel the wishes I'm sending them at this moment.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2003, 11:57:00 PM »
Sorry, that was mine.

Ginger,
What am I doing wrong? Sometimes my name is inserted for me, other times not. And sometimes I forget to check. Can it be fixed to be consistently one way or the other?
Thanks, Deborah
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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2003, 01:06:00 AM »
Imagine how many teens spending the holidays in one of these so-called emotional growth program are crying themselves to sleep tonight?  Wishing they WERE still a child so their parents would love them like they "used to".  

Happy Holidays Parents.

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2003, 08:43:00 AM »
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On 2003-12-19 20:57:00, Deborah wrote:

"Sorry, that was mine.



Ginger,

What am I doing wrong? Sometimes my name is inserted for me, other times not. And sometimes I forget to check. Can it be fixed to be consistently one way or the other?

Thanks, Deborah"


You are probably hitting the back button one time too many when navigating, taking you out past the log in screen.

Just a guess

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2003, 12:50:00 PM »
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On 2003-12-19 20:57:00, Deborah wrote:

"Sorry, that was mine.



Ginger,

What am I doing wrong? Sometimes my name is inserted for me, other times not. And sometimes I forget to check. Can it be fixed to be consistently one way or the other?

Thanks, Deborah"


Here's how that works. The forum software attempts to set a cookie on your machine when you log in. As long as you keep hitting pages at least every so long, you'll stay logged in. If you pull up the post or reply page while logged in, it'll fill in your username. But if your login expires before you hit a button, it'll post anonymous. I don't remember how long the login period is, but I'll go and increase it now.

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2003, 01:01:00 PM »
I just increased the session timeout from 1 hour to 12 hours.

Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2003, 05:25:00 PM »
What does Christmas mean to you? Is it not about birth and hope and renewal? This child came to lead the earth in forgiveness and hope. A Child shall lead them. Who is wrong the children or their parents? You hide behind the mask of EVIL.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2003, 10:23:00 AM »
Imagine- programs holding kids responsible for the happiness of their parents...

Imagine an attorney in depo asking someone how they feel about kids who ruin their parents lives-seemingly referring to Corey Murphy (www.insidedenver.com) article titled the "The Lost Boy" says Corey was sent away at a young age and when faced with the wonderful "warranty" on children (being sent back for free) he shot himself in front of mom...was his intent to ruin his mom's life? - probably not - could it have been that he'd rather die than go back? - that's a kind of desperation I hope I never feel.
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