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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2003, 08:13:00 PM »
It's really fucked up how you try and make an 18 year old feel worthless.If anything you are more worthless than any of the people here.So why don't you go put on a spandex bodysuit and some american flag boxershorts and do some gay exercises.At least thats more condstructive then making other people feel like shit.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2003, 08:19:00 PM »
Mine as well kill two birds with one stone:

To Melissa, who I basically called mental, which was then confirmed by k8lyn, again good riddance.  Not because I am out of words.  I have plenty left for you - you're crazy.  How do you like those words for starters!

K8lyn:

This has nothing to do with you.  I know all to well what goes on (I don't know which program Melissa was in), remember I am strictly on the Tranquility Bay issue.  I have carefully read the cases, the testimony available and I understand that there has been plenty of emotional trauma.  That's why I am involved.  Also, I was invited by Donna H.  I've been through this explanation.

It was Melissa who drew the initial blood, saying I was "fishy", with no evidence at all to back that up.

Finally, I couldn't care less that you're annoyed over an argument that doesn't concern you and your remark that I'm gay - where did that come from?  Are you thinking about gay sex, people being gay, deviant behavior.

You sound like another loser!  You can add me to the list of people who hate you here too.

Richard Titsch III  

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2003, 08:24:00 PM »
It's only funny till you put someone's eyeout. Then it's hillarious!
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On 2003-11-16 16:13:00, ricktitsch wrote:

You must have a lot of issues, starting with being paranoid, some sort of obvious issues concerning men in general, and you're so disrespectful, you clearly have no self-esteem. You probably also suffer from Passive-Aggresive Personality Disorder and Anti Social Personality Disorder, which would account for the possibility of you being Anon and Melissa. Either that or Multiple Personality Disorder.


That or you could just be entirely wrong cause, as well intended as you may be, you really have stepped into something WAY deeper than you might have imagine. As a result, you really don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Is it your intention to just piss everyone off all the time? Potential allies in Treasure Beach, now Melissa?

All the girl said was that, in the context of the usual mad house that is any public forum involving program ppl and others, you smell fishy to her. Pretty mild compared to your response.

That last says a whole lot more about you than it does about Melissa. You like beating up on young women or something?

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2003, 08:27:00 PM »
You are gay because I said so.These people know that I put up a damn good fight.And if i think about it,I really dont think they hate me as well as anybody else here.And no I'm not a loser,I'm 17,I still have a life ahead of me,and school,and no I'm not immature or childish,so don't even say it.At least you know people are crazy here(Melissa),i wouldnt let out any personal info.if i was you,cause ill find out as well as the others who the fuck you are.and I'm not gonna say whats gonna happen next.Don't you realize nobody wants you here so just go,and stop causing drama.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2003, 08:27:00 PM »
I regret that you feel that way Ginger.  I don't like having my reputation put at issue, when there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.  I have been cooperative, on top of things, and actually I became very responsive after Melissa's second comments directed toward me.  Hey, but if you don't like me anymore, I'm glad to go away.

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2003, 08:31:00 PM »
Dear Rick...I believe you sincerely were appalled when you discovered Tranquility Bay and then all the WWASPS history.  I am glad you became active and hope to remove this stain from our planet.  However...

It would seem your personality is not quite "up to" dealing with such a volatile matter.  From the beginning, you seemed like a naive sort of waif.  You are taking on a Giant Evil here, and you seem unable to cope even with the sometimes-profane anger of survivors and others.  The history of these survivors, whether The Seed, Straight, Provo Canyon, or WWAPSPS/TB is one of unbelievable anguish.  Letting them vent without rancor should be one of the strengths of a crusader.  If you can only respond to a simple "Fuck You" (which is about as potent as flipping the bird to a tailgating driver on the freeway), you probably do not belong in this arena.  

My suggestion is to either 1) lighten up and can the complaints to your ISP [which sounds a lot like you're running to mommy and telling her that they are saying bad things about you], or 2) stay on the sidelines and do what you can to help bring down this kind of facility.  

It's only been...what?...a couple of weeks, and you've gone from a Crusader to a Whiner (with a vengence).  One might think you were not cut out for this role.
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2003, 08:37:00 PM »
i for one like richard, and think hes doing a very active part in taking down wwasp. alot more then some people that post! melissa (no offense) but i think you jumped the gun saying he was fishy, everyone new is fishy in our minds, its all good
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2003, 08:39:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-16 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

Messila, I'm a bit surprised with your attitude.
I would think you'd be grateful someone outside the 'family' was doing so much to help.

I'm not the least bit surprised. Here's why...

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He may not have been inside; but he has read the accounts of those who have, and done them the honor of believing them. AND gone to some trouble and expense to bring the injustice to light.
Its not like you to be so rude to someone trying to help.


And then immediately threatens coercion with serious consequences over a really petty slight and based on some really flimsey evidence at that. And, as it turns out, unless Melissa is a whole lot more net savvy than I thought, he's dead wrong.

But wait! Where have I lived this nightmare before? Some adult with an impressive appeal to authority makes an accusaion and starts the mob a blathering for revenge and punishment and...

Anyone else find this sort of behavior awfully familiar?

Rich, could you possibly have not realized this?

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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2003, 08:49:00 PM »
ginger, you have to remember he is new in all this. hes not used to the name calling. everybody else takes it with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2003, 08:58:00 PM »
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"I regret that you feel that way Ginger.  I don't like having my reputation put at issue, when there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.  I have been cooperative, on top of things, and actually I became very responsive after Melissa's second comments directed toward me.  Hey, but if you don't like me anymore, I'm glad to go away.



Rich"


"Until you've lost your reputation,you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is."--MARGARET MITCHELL

Rich, you don't have a reputation to lose with these folks. I'm with a few other posters on this one. Everyone around here might seem a little paranoid and a good many of us really are at times. But look at what we're dealing with. You think anyone who's been spit up and chewed out (or is still dodging teeth and digestive fluids as we type) is going to just.... trust you cause you say you're an alright guy?

How does a snap opinion from some stranger on the net effect your reputation with anyone who matters to you? Get over yourself, please.

Remember when you were a kid? Did you ever wonder what it would be like if everyone could read everyone else's minds all the time? Well the net is like that, to some extent. Careful what you wish for, eh?

No, I don't dislike you. Remember? I knew you were an asshole the first time I said hi to you over on your forum. Now join the club and pony up your pitch to the coffee kitty. This is going to be a long strange trip.

You're more than welcome to hang out if you're going our way. But I think you'd have a whole lot more fun at it if you'd quit threatening and accusing everyone you run into. Nobody likes that shit. Most of us have had enough of it to last five psychos a lifetime.

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2003, 08:59:00 PM »
Katelyn...


I'm a little confused about your post. Are you trying to figure out who I am? I think I have made it pretty clear who I am, and I guess I kind of have to assume the risk in this situation to get any kind of respect. Yes, I am 18, still in school, and I spent 17.5 months in Spring Creek Lodge. I have done a lot of work since I've been home, mostly working with reporters and parents. I post here pretty often, it's a good source of information.


Richard, again, I drew no "initial blood," you have to remember I've been around a long time, and worked with WWASP people for ages. I can smell a rat easily. I just think that your venomous insults towards survivors are not indicative of commitment or caring about the cause. This isn't about Ginger not liking you, and therefore you should leave... you just need to consider what you are getting into, and tread very lightly, because there are many of us that are very sensitive and skeptical. It is not easy for us to form bonds with people not involved with programs, or having a past history of programs. I can meet someone who was involved with straights 15 years ago, and quickly have an intense bond with them. Just because someone visits Auschvitz does not make them a Jew, just as visiting Tranquility Bay does not make you a victim. We need someone like you around, but not with this approach. I would suggest that you identify yourself as someone who is interested in learning about these facilities, rather than a crusader. Your being a "crusader" is offensive to me. You can sit at your fancy computer, the TV blaring in the backround, sipping on a drink and having a snack thinking "Oh, those poor kids," while there are kids that are gnawing on an old goat bone wishing they were dead. I've been there. I've had to make the decision while looking at a bottle of bleach,wondering if drinking it would send me to the psych ward, and out of WWASP's care. Unfortunate, yes. Sick, yes. True, yes. You can throw whatever "diagnosis" you like at me. Truth is, I'm a victim of incarceration and you better believe it, I've got a real fucking thick skin. I'm looking at a future in marketing and advertising at Arizona State University, or perhaps writing.  Regardless of where I go, or where my ambitions take me, I carry a scar from the time I spent under WWASP. Since I am such a righteous person, and I am well aware of my rights, and the rights of others, I have taken a personal interest in assisting others. If nothing else, spread information. I have seen nothing from you but opinions, arguments, and a half-assed webpage. I'm glad you know how to work a search engine, but that certainly does not make you a crusader.
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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2003, 09:03:00 PM »
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By the way... Ginger...oh wise one... I told you before I don't like hanging around here... it keeps getting weirder and weirder... shoot me a line when it clears up. I'll be happily meddling away doing my part to FREE kids like me...


Yeah, signal to noise ratio gets pretty bad around here sometimes. Shoot me an email, though, just in case I don't have a current one for you. Don't be a stranger. I'll certainly drop you a line if anything comes up that I think you'd want to know. But I don't think things will ever be exactly what you'd call clear or calm around here.

When a well-packaged web of lies
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over generations, the truth will seem
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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2003, 09:22:00 PM »
Hey Rich,

Just a thought, but did it ever occur to you that she might be baiting you? To see how you reacted? I'm not saying she was (I truly don't know), but your defensive response certainly raised some hairs with her and others.

You might have requested that she elaborate on why she sensed you as "fishy" rather than attack and defend. Not too late to edit your posts and make that request. Put the ball back in her court. I say that from a purely selfish place- I would like to hear her imaginings. Read the archives. You're not the first to be attacked.

You've been given some good advice by several people. You might want to do a little research on the effects of "program life" so you'll understand the suspicion and outrage that is often directed at anyone who even smells like the perpetrator.

If you don't chill and if history repeats itself, the next accusation (whether founded or not) will be that you are really a WWASPer pretending to be an advocate, and making an "ass" out of yourself to discredit those who are on the good road.

The truth. No one really knows who you are or if your agenda is what you say. To expect people to trust without reservation is unreasonable given the venue. You can't take that personally. Let time show that....or if the heat's too much, you'll have to "get out the kitchen". I hope that will not be the case. I'm assuming you're innocent until proven guilty- the anon poster who said no one wants you here was not speaking for everyone.
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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2003, 09:55:00 PM »
Ginger point out in answer to something I said:

And then immediately threatens coercion with serious consequences over a really petty slight and based on some really flimsey evidence at that. And, as it turns out, unless Melissa is a whole lot more net savvy than I thought, he's dead wrong.


Yes indeed; but it snuck in while I was typing my post.
I was taken by surprise when I saw that.

I'm sorry to see all this has gotten so hurtful.

I hope its over now, and we can all go lick our wounds and return with tails waggin.

In other words -
Could we start again, please?
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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2003, 09:59:00 PM »
Cool with me!  ::cheers::

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