Pictures of TB

[Antigen]

Thanks to Richard Titsch for these photos, report and forum.

http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/wwasp/ ... /index.htm

http://www.bulletinboards.com/view.cfm? ... sch#537243

Does this one give anyone else that "goin' to the building" feeling?

But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
Anonymity Anonymous

[Antigen]

Man, this is a little spooky. A friend of mine, who's always been free, noticed something peculiar about the Save and Drug Free town depicted on http://DFAF.org/ No people in the town. They show a most unlikely mix of smiling, happy looking people all cloistered together inside somewhere. But no people living in their ideal town.

Same thing with all the shots of this place so far. I know TB absorbed a lot of kids from Dundee when it shut down. I've heard anywhere upwards of 250 kids are supposed to be there now. Not any looking out the (few unboarded) windows? None on the walkways? Certainly none hanging around outside, kicking a ball or anything.

These people and what they sell are really scary!

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

[Deborah]

Ginger,
I viewed the news clip on SAFE at the link you provided above.
When did that air? Old or current?
What is happening or happened with the lawsuit?
Did the governor conduct an investigation?
What's the latest?

Loretta and Vivian made my skin crawl. Just creepy. I don't believe in Evil, but am tempted to use the word to describe those two.

So, do I understand correctly, there was Straight, then Seed, then SAFE. All basically the same program with different names?

One of the dudes (an attorney?) in the clip said that strip searches were illegal. Is that true in all states?  Strip searches were conducted at the high dollar facility I have experience with, after visits off campus. Here's the funny thing. It was reported by a couple of ex-inmates that drugs, tobacco, and dip were available to those with the right connections, ON campus- no reason to risk being caught bringing them in.

[Froderik]

I viewed the news clip on SAFE at the link you provided above.

I think that must be on another thread.

I don't believe in Evil, but am tempted to use the word to describe those two.
 

If you believe in good, then by the law of opposites, you must (hate to say it, but must) also believe in evil.

So, do I understand correctly, there was Straight, then Seed, then SAFE.

First came the Seed, then Straight, then SAFE.

drugs, tobacco, and dip

What is "dip?"

[Deborah]

The news clip
http://fornits.com/anonanon/video/wami.ram

Found at this link (above)
http://www.bulletinboards.com/view.cfm? ... sch#537243

What is dip? You are kidding, aren't you? Guess not. It's smokeless, shreaded, tobacco that one puts in their bottom lip.

Briefly, no, I don't believe there is such a thing as an inherently evil person (born that way). I don't believe there is a devil or that people are possessed by some external evil entity. I tend to believe that every seemingly "evil" person has good at their core, they've just got layer upon layer of conditioning which has caused them to disprect themselves and others, some to the point of no return.

I vent alot, but I feel much like Ginger. Send them all to a tropical island with all the pleasures and distractions they can possibly stand. I might add, with a lifelong supply of their favorite psychotropic Rx.

They're like cancer cells, spreading their diseased thinking and philosophies to anyone they come in contact with. It's a nice fantasy anyway.
They wouldn't volutarily contain themselves, they need to suck off other people in order to live.

And how does one eliminate or prevent cancer in the body? Don't provide a conducive environment, don't host the intruder. Strengthen the immune system. How does one apply that to the diseased thinking and philosophies that support teen torture warehouses?

The medical institution would say you go to war, attack the intruder (cancer) with toxic substances and hope the human doesn't perish in the process.

Rampant talking, as Ginger has said. When enough parents wake up to what's going on in these warehouses, the industry will disappear. The social body, as it were, will not host the harmful intruders.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-11-04 19:39:00, Deborah wrote:

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Ginger,

I viewed the news clip on SAFE at the link you provided above.

When did that air? Old or current?

November or December of 2000. Note the introductory commet about breaking away from the election coverage? That was about the diputed Büsh/Clinton presidential election.

What is happening or happened with the lawsuit?

It petered out. Essentially, Thom Burton took these people's money then quit answering calls. The final complaint filed by another atty was an absolute joke. The judge did everything but rewrite it for them to make it properly acceptable legaleze, but the atty slacked.

Did the governor conduct an investigation?

What's the latest?

The Governor, his lovely wife Camilla and his own state drug czar, Jim McDonough are all on the advisory board of Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is Straight, inc. after two name changes. Straight, Inc. and DFAF founder, Betty Sembler, was on Brother JEB!'s finance committee for his campaign(s) and her husband, Melvin, is current ambassador to Italy, former ambassador to Australia under Büsh I and finance chairman for the RNC for all three Büsh presidential elections.

In short, no, the governors' office did not investigate and they never will because they and their associates (Eckerd and Huizenga, for example) would very quickly become a part of that investigation. Hell, a lawsuit filed and won by SAFE and Loretta Parish soon after the name change restricts even HRS (now called FDCYF) from normal facility inspections and investigations.

You think Jamaica's corrupt? Heh. At least they're pretty straightforward about it.

Loretta and Vivian made my skin crawl. Just creepy. I don't believe in Evil, but am tempted to use the word to describe those two.

Congratulations! This wins you the ultra-exclusive designation of fellow lying, cowardly cochroach! Welcome! Welcome! :wave:

So, do I understand correctly, there was Straight, then Seed, then SAFE. All basically the same program with different names?

Close. First there was The Seed in 1970 in Ft. Lauderdale. We don't know much about where Art Barker came from outside of his annectdotes about his life on Vaudiville and subsiquent career as an alcoholic. But NIDA gave him over a million bucks to fund The Seed.

Not long after The Seed lost expansion funding and shut down all but the headquarters in Ft. Lauderdale, former Seed parents and staff established Straight, Inc. in St. Pete.

Straight had locatations all over the east and a couple in the SW when Straight, Orlando came under fire. They just changed their name. Pretty ballsey, when you think of it. Till then, they'd at least had to go to the trouble of changing locations and BOD rosters. Not this time. They only changed the letterhead and slightly shuffled the BOD roster.

One of the dudes (an attorney?) in the clip said that strip searches were illegal. Is that true in all states?  Strip searches were conducted at the high dollar facility I have experience with, after visits off campus. Here's the funny thing. It was reported by a couple of ex-inmates that drugs, tobacco, and dip were available to those with the right connections, ON campus- no reason to risk being caught bringing them in.



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Strip searches are strictly regulated by way of the definition between law enforcement/corrections or medical necessity vs that of sexual assault. If a law enforcement officer wants you strip searched, he has to get permission, provide more than one witness and the search must be done by people of the same gender as the prisoner. And that's AFTER the person has been determined by law (under threat of civil suit and/or personal criminal charges) to be fair game for a legal arrest.

With these places, a tearful mother, neurotic though she may be, with financial resources is all the evidence needed.

[Deborah]

Thanks for that concise summary. I didn't think there would be any investigation, that's why I asked.
Is SAFE for teens only? If so, is there an adult version? Just wondering why Jeb didn't send his daughter to SAFE if he thinks so highly of the program. Do any other politicians that support the program actually send their kids there?

Nicole Bush:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&0

It's an honor to be among the Coalition of Cockroaches.

[Antigen]

Good question. SAFE usually takes teens, but they've had some adults court ordered too. I don't know why JEB! kept his daughter out of SAFE, except maybe that the place he sent her is maybe a little less controversial.

The people's right to change what does not work is one of the greatest
principles in our system of government

--Richard M. Nixon

[Antigen]

On 2003-11-04 20:43:00, Deborah wrote:



Rampant talking, as Ginger has said. When enough parents wake up to what's going on in these warehouses, the industry will disappear. The social body, as it were, will not host the harmful intruders.

Thanks for the kudos. I have another motive, too, that I didn't realize till after it paid off. I just love it when people drop in here, there and all overy the wilds and Cyberia and say "OMG! You mean, you saw it too? I'm not the only one? Like, we might even be the vast majority???"

I think it's just very comforting and empowering for people who've been through it to find that the whole world really and truely never did condone what happened. Slacked on looking at it dead on, maybe. But who's not been guilty of that in their lifetime?

The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir

[Anonymous]

Some of evil is people's sympathetic magical subconscious thinking---"If I'm the perpetrator, I won't be the victim.  I'm the bad guy, bad, bad, bad, so I'll never be victimized again."

Most of evil is depraved indifference to how getting your own and covering your own ass affects other people.

Some of the worst evil is people who tell themselves that they're doing good---and that the ends justify the means.  Usually the real subconscious payoff is money, power, or sex.

Synanon/aka The Seed/aka Straight/aka SAFE/aka DFAF is of a piece with the Islamic jihadists and the pro-lifers who shoot doctors and the "animal rights" activists who have a sideline in arson.

Some of the nastiest people in the world are the people who use and abuse others to get what they want and rationalize that they are making some great big sacrifice and that what they are doing (that just incidentally gets them money, power, or sex) is The Only Right Thing To Do.

The people administering these programs, and the parents who place kids there, are control freaks, and the absolute abusive control is their payoff.  Money and sex, where they can scam that, too, is just a bonus.