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Offline GregFL

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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2004, 09:54:00 AM »
I may be one of the few people who ever really got to tell Art off to his face.  There is a thread here somewhere called my showdown at poolside.

It really was a important thing for me to do, kind of empowered me, but I came real close to physically hitting him.  That was many years ago and I am a much different, much less angry  person. I would love to chat up the old guy now and pick his mind. Hell, I would even buy him dinner and pick up the tab just for the right to ask him some questions...  What motivated him, where did he get some of his wackier ideas like boxing rings, "motivating", and the synanon style come down on your raps?.  What new york treatment facility had he been involved with?

These questions bug the shit out of me...
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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »
AA, its a simple as that- synonon had nothing to do with it-I can tell from your past postings you really believe that but there is no truth to it-
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »
AA, its a simple as that- synonon had nothing to do with it-I can tell from your past postings you really believe that but there is no truth to it-
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2004, 08:19:00 AM »
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"AA, its a simple as that- synonon had nothing to do with it-I can tell from your past postings you really believe that but there is no truth to it-"


Where do you get your information?
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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2004, 06:40:00 PM »
Unfortunately you are incorrect.

AA never forced its member to sit in chairs 12 hours a day and never rewarded family affection for progression.

aa never restricted food intake as a therapy

aa never used sleep deprivation to weaken one for conditioning.

aa never requires you to stop talking to outsiders.

aa never "breaks" its member and then rebuilds it in the image of the group.

aa never required worship of the leader

aa never refused to let you read a book or call your family

aa members arent required to Motivate and sit straight, eyes to the front and  their backs not touching the chairs or face punishment.

aa never did many things that were considered part of "treatment" in the seed.

It is anything but "as simple as that", anon. I am well aware that many techniques..the steps, serenity prayer, confessionals, etc. came from AA, and  that Art continues even to this day to chant this mantra, that it all came from AA, but that is obviously totally falicious.

Tell us why you think you can make such a conclusionary statement with such certainty, Anon, and if you are new here..

 welcome to this forum..



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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2004, 11:29:00 PM »
YEAH I KNOW MAGGIE.
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« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2004, 09:23:00 AM »
Know Maggie or Knew Maggie?  IF you know her know, how is she doing?
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« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2004, 03:40:00 PM »
Know her Know?

I mean, know her now......




sorry
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« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2004, 12:32:00 AM »
I had many good & bad experiences there. I would not be alive if it weren't for them. However, it's now AA's 12 step work that has truly improved my quality of life & is beginning to erase some of the PTSD signs & symptoms created by the seed.
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« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2004, 12:43:00 AM »
Good for you. I feel bad for "Ginger"? too...the seed did me much harm too but it saved my life until I found AA & got into a real program. Now I'm taking all the harm done & turning into lessons learned...resentments/anger/rage gone & I can help others get to the other side...there is healing...if I'm willing, open & honest to do the footwork...there is a kind, loving, trustworthy GOD & his name isn't Art Barker. But I love you & forgive you Art.
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« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2004, 01:05:00 AM »
My boyfriend, a very intelligent/wise man said that it sounds like many of the people writing in to the seed/straight sites are all attempting to go through some type of "deprogramming"...hmmm
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« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2004, 10:12:00 AM »
perhaps 30 years later, they are just trying to understand what really happened in that bizzare little cult.

And I would agree that many people were programmed, set their memories on autopilot and never looked back. That is where you get comments like "it saved my life" when no evidence exists that this is a true statement.
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« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2004, 07:41:00 PM »
EVIDENCE: The data on which a conclusion or judgement can be established.My evidence, every straight day and not in jail. Thanks to others who helped me believe in myself when I didnt.

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« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2004, 07:46:00 PM »
So then, how do you explain the vast majority of kids from the `70's who also did drugs, gave the establishment the finger and sometimes found trouble that way but who grew up just fine w/o any help from The Seed? Isn't that equally compelling evidence that The Program is nothing but snakeoil?

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« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2004, 08:20:00 PM »
You are forgetting that most people misuse the term EVIDENCE.

What they really mean is that they only accept those things which tend to point to their forgone conclusion.  Like Trucker here who would be dead, insane or in jail without the Seed, Nevermind that he did drugs after getting out, nevermind that most of us posting here continued or escalated our drug use/abuse after graduating.

Nevermind the perponderance of people who post on these boards that claim they were physcologically harmed by their time in thought reform "rehab".

He is sober right now and that must be EVIDENCE the Seed worked so many years ago.

Evidence...one of the most misunderstood and misused words out there.
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