Ex-Staffers at Elan Ajustment w/ the Elan Community (repost)

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Ex-Staffers at Elan Ajustment w/ the Elan Community[/list]

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#1 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:27 am

I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

#2 Post by Ursus  » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:24 am

I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents.

Please define "Director" as it pertains to you.

You might also want to take a look at this thread:

An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480[/list]

All in all, I'd have to venture that "reentry" will not be easy, but if you are sincere and keep at it, some folk will come around. Some won't; that's life.

#3 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:30 pm

I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents.

Please define "Director" as it pertains to you.

You might also want to take a look at this thread:

An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480[/list]

All in all, I'd have to venture that "reentry" will not be easy, but if you are sincere and keep at it, some folk will come around. Some won't; that's life.

Ursus, Thank You first and foremost. The Apology was humbling to read honestly and I have some soul searching to do for a reply. Which will be coming soon on this thread and a site just for Elan. I am waking up for sure. You; asked me to explain Director as it pertains to me I am not sure how to answer this question b/cuz I am not sure I understand the question. Help!

#4 Post by Eliscu2  » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:56 pm

I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your :bs: somewhere else. :roflmao:

#5 Post by Ursus  » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:34 pm

You; asked me to explain Director as it pertains to me I am not sure how to answer this question b/cuz I am not sure I understand the question. Help!

Usually when people think of a "director," they think of a person who's in charge. Often The person in charge. I guess I just wanted you to clarify: were you in charge of other staff? Or were you simply what Elan calls a "therapeutic director," i.e., more or less regular staff?

Some more fodder for old memories:

Bad Company
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27692[/list]

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#6 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:24 pm

I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.

Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your :bs: somewhere else. :roflmao:

Hey Felice, I am so happy you shared,I asked for advice and I'm sure that's the best you can do. In just the short time I have been in relationship w/ you have given me so much. Keep Com'in Back. Love and Peace Danny

#7 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:33 pm

You; asked me to explain Director as it pertains to me I am not sure how to answer this question b/cuz I am not sure I understand the question. Help!

Usually when people think of a "director," they think of a person who's in charge. Often The person in charge. I guess I just wanted you to clarify: were you in charge of other staff? Or were you simply what Elan calls a "therapeutic director," i.e., more or less regular staff?

Some more fodder for old memories:

Bad Company
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27692[/list]

Yes Ursus I was a Therapeutic Director, "regular staff". As I said I had no formal education at that time nor therapeutic training. So I filled a hole in a slot. Ya kno what a fucked up mess that was back then, I was a fucking mess back then. Lovely 51 yrs old and trying to sort this out why because it is in my face now. Thanks again

#8 Post by Danny Bennison » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:34 pm

I have read a apology authored "Rich Mullinax" Straight, this was as good a starting point for me as any. If I could put as much thought and heart into mine I would be amazed. Kudo's to you Rich. This has been one of the hardest recollections of feelings, ei; Guilt, oppression, insecurities, abusiveness, abused, compromising ones morals and values....the list goes on.As I was saying the feelings coming out are overwhelming at times.
On my future posts I will start to get into specifics concerning my guilt and abuses and move forward from there. What I thought I could do in the past was make my amends by my actions of making myself a better person well that is productive for sure though I don't see the benefit for the ones still suffering. Thanks for reading any thoughts most welcome. Also thanks to the person who sent me "Kevin Gray's" piece, very moving. Love and Peace Danny

#9 Post by Marty Dan » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:27 pm

Hi I just have decided to finnaly leave Elan after almost 38 years Im hopeing my return to regular society wont be too dramatic.I have been at Elan all most from the begining in 1970.I started as a resident and went on to staff,and the finnaly Director, I have not left just yet but by Jan or Feb of 2010 I will,I am waiting for a place to move into in New Hampshire, and it wont be ready untill then so I will stick it out. I rent a house now and have for many years from Elan. Joe said one day it would be mine.lol. Any how I need to say I am so sorry for any problems or frustration, that they put me up to doing to you residents.I have not said anything to the Terry bitch, she got worse ofter Joe died.My long time friend Jeff is also thinking about it soon he is getting old and has had health problems. Its just not fun anymore,between the politics ect,you have no time anymore to help the residents develope and see the ways of a good positive life,like we were able to years ago. In the early 70s we could help people, but the New York and Skakel and on and on. This was the best place in the world when it first started out, I will miss it,There was more here than yelling and punnishment, we had love and gave help to all the residents, and they gave back. Dr Davidson made alot of changes over the years and poor Joe couldnt stop him. I went to the long meetings at old 328 Blackstrap in Falmouth. Joes house,the things Davidson would come up with were crazy.I should write a book. Write again soon and no one will believe I am leaving.Marty K Dan

#10 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:18 pm

You piece of shit hope you burn in hell for what you did to those kids.

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#11 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:22 pm

No on will help you deal with your guilt you fricken jerk. I hope you burn in hell for what you did to all of us. You are evil and society will show you a few things once your away from the elan protection. You asshole you did heinous things to all of us. Where do you get off looking for sympathy. Of course your leaving before we go in there and the shit breaks loose, some man you are. You are not even human

#12 Post by Joel  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:31 pm

No on will help you deal with your guilt you fricken jerk. I hope you burn in hell for what you did to all of us. You are evil and society will show you a few things once your away from the elan protection. You asshole you did heinous things to all of us. Where do you get off looking for sympathy. Of course your leaving before we go in there and the shit breaks loose, some man you are. You are not even human

What did "Marty Dan" do to you?

#13 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:42 pm

Marty burn in hell, you will never make it in society, they will not tolerate your insaine views, and if there is any justice in the world, they will criminally charge you as well. All the rapes, all the beatings, all the girls exploited. I want to know how the fuck you can even look at yourself in the mirror?? Please tell me you maggot wate piece of shit. Too society you will be nothing but a fuck satin on a hide-a-bed. Oh please write a book so the FBI can have evidence to throw you in prison so you can get fucked up the ass before you die. Lock someone else in basements you twisted insaine animal. I cant even call you a man, because you got off on hurtting little kids, and girls. Must be over compensating for a little penis all these years. Elan told you were something, gave you power. Reality is if in society you would of been my garbage collector. No one will understand you nor will you get the sympathy you seek. Go crawl under your rock and stay the fuck there. You may as well stay at Elan. Plus you got the utter gall to insult our intelligence, you got rih off the tears of children. Take that money and shove it so far up your ass. You freak of fucken nature.

#14 Post by Marty Dan » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:43 pm

I thought that things might be a bit sticky at first, But I can forgive Elan after all they forced me to do, I know there are people out there that can look past the past and give some forgivness. I was not the only one who might have stepped a little over the line.The residents were not perfect eather.If people didnt fight the system it would have been a much nicer place.So everyone who went there or worked there have thier own guilt to cop too. And to throw stones is not excepting life and being strong. I still want to help people change and be positive and truthfullt in life,You all know I have had time to get to know people over the years and learn alot about people and concerns and the proper way to find the answers to question and problems. I want to reach out to anyone who wants to talk and maybe forgive in time.As I am ready to do the same for all of you. Remember I was responsible to make sure everything that Doc put out there went the right way, and Joe and me tried, but the Doc had the leverage.he was certified as a Dr . not us,so we had to do things his way to a point. even Joe.So dont believe the stories about Joe. he was under big preasure by Davidson.Dr Davidson was infront of most addmitions to Elan from all of his Dr friends like Dr Marvin Swartz ect so Joe had to listen to alot of his scrazy shit. I know thease things I was Joes right hand and he would tell me the Doc was nuts and he would get us all in trouble some day. Well he is gone and poor Joe went out looking like the bad guy because of evil people like Doc and Sharon Terry.who tricked and munipulated Joe into doing things he thought was wrong, but had to do it to keep everthing going for the kids and and the residents futures. Joe loved all of you in his own way.and so did I. Please have an open mind to a new friend Thanks and have a great weekend. Marty K Dan PS I just want a normal life like you people, and I know some of will forgive and except me and I THANKyOU

#15 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:44 pm

Danny I have more compassion for you, omfg Marty burn in hell

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#16 Post by Marty Dan » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:56 pm

lIKE ANY TREATMENT THINGS TAKE TIME SO JUST SLOW DOWN AND RELAX,AND LETS ALL JUST DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING ABOUT THING WE MIGHT HAVE DONE IN LIFE TO HURT SOMEONE. I CAN ,AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU OUT THERE .SO. I KNOW EVERYONE CAN.I HAVE TO GET TO A MEETING AGAIN,I WILL BE GLAD WHEN THAT STUFFS OVER,ALL DAY EVERDAY. I HATE MY JOB ANYMORE. I WILL BE ON LATER, I WISH I COULD DRAW SOME NICER COMMENTS BY THEN. I CAN FORGIVE THEM AFTER ALL THEY PUT ME THREW.I AM STRONG BECAUSE OF JOE AND HIS TEACHING NEVER GIVE UP.THANKS MARTY K DAN

#17 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:02 pm

DR. Melvin Schwartz got fucken paid per head he sent to Elan, and you waited for these children to arrive one by one and opened the gates to hell for them. You made ppl into killers, rapists, and mentally insaine adults. How does it feel to know you sat there for 38 years and let that happen? You blame Dr. Davidson you fucken coward, own up to your shit. COP TO YOUR GUILT you pompous asshole. My site provides better true sense of healing for the victims of Elan. http://www.elansurvivorsgroup.com  I suggest people go there away from these Elan Staff members, they will play a manipulational tap dance into your brain. The fucken cult is over marty you will not get anymore recruits. You are on the top of the list of being dealt with once our movement gets more going. I would tell you to kiss my ass, but I would never give you the satisfaction to be near it ever. The Children of Elan will not tolerate you going free, so go ahead leave now, but your crimes will be known to every humna being in the world. Go hide Marty because thats what your doing. Not only will I demand justice, I will see it happen. Thise kids there now still need to get out of there, you piece of shit leaving them there. I will not rest until Elan is closed and fuckers like you are getting ganged banged up the ass by the prison system. I will see if BUBBA is an ex Elan student and ask he is your cellmate. You are so so sincere, bite my French ass. Your as sincere as a Cobra. Oh Marty in society they dont allow torture of little kids BTW. Fucken priceless you coming to us for help, go choke on your own vomit.

#18 Post by bossybee39  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:05 pm

I will fucken relax the day I see you arrested, I will be eating popcorn and selling tickets to watch that merry event. I bet it will be a sell out. Then again you should be use to that term because you are the biggest sell out out on the world. You sold your soul to Elan, to joe, and Dr. Davidson. How does it feel you were the devil, and in bed with other devils? Relax my ass. You are so sincere, liar.

#19 Post by Eliscu2  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:23 pm

lIKE ANY TREATMENT THINGS TAKE TIME SO JUST SLOW DOWN AND RELAX,AND LETS ALL JUST DO SOME SOUL SEARCHING ABOUT THING WE MIGHT HAVE DONE IN LIFE TO HURT SOMEONE. I CAN ,AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU OUT THERE .SO. I KNOW EVERYONE CAN.I HAVE TO GET TO A MEETING AGAIN,I WILL BE GLAD WHEN THAT STUFFS OVER,ALL DAY EVERDAY. I HATE MY JOB ANYMORE. I WILL BE ON LATER, I WISH I COULD DRAW SOME NICER COMMENTS BY THEN. I CAN FORGIVE THEM AFTER ALL THEY PUT ME THREW.I AM STRONG BECAUSE OF JOE AND HIS TEACHING NEVER GIVE UP.THANKS MARTY K DAN

:bs:

Hey Marty aka Danny Bennison you are quite the celeb. around here.
Scoll through the old posts and you will see many entertaining storys about you.
http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24749
You are one twisted FUCKHEAD!!!
Personally I don't remember you, but from what I have heard you are a sick PEDOPHILE.
Go Kill yourself and save the Taxpayers some money.
You don't even deserve a Trial.
I see by the amount of Trolls lately that Elan is feeling the Heat :roflmao:
Remember: Wherever you go; There you are.
The REAL Marty and Jeff will never leave Elan.

#20 Post by Eliscu2  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:26 pm

DR. Melvin Schwartz got fucken paid per head he sent to Elan, and you waited for these children to arrive one by one and opened the gates to hell for them. You made ppl into killers, rapists, and mentally insaine adults. How does it feel to know you sat there for 38 years and let that happen? You blame Dr. Davidson you fucken coward, own up to your shit. COP TO YOUR GUILT you pompous asshole. My site provides better true sense of healing for the victims of Elan. http://www.elansurvivorsgroup.com  I suggest people go there away from these Elan Staff members, they will play a manipulational tap dance into your brain. The fucken cult is over marty you will not get anymore recruits. You are on the top of the list of being dealt with once our movement gets more going. I would tell you to kiss my ass, but I would never give you the satisfaction to be near it ever. The Children of Elan will not tolerate you going free, so go ahead leave now, but your crimes will be known to every humna being in the world. Go hide Marty because thats what your doing. Not only will I demand justice, I will see it happen. Thise kids there now still need to get out of there, you piece of shit leaving them there. I will not rest until Elan is closed and fuckers like you are getting ganged banged up the ass by the prison system. I will see if BUBBA is an ex Elan student and ask he is your cellmate. You are so so sincere, bite my French ass. Your as sincere as a Cobra. Oh Marty in society they dont allow torture of little kids BTW. Fucken priceless you coming to us for help, go choke on your own vomit.

Correction: Dr. Marvin Schwartz

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#21 Post by Danny Bennison » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:34 pm

Well let me be clear this is Danny speaking now not Marty, Like I've said so many time I am easily checked out w/ any effort. Also someone please send me a Fax # and my graduation from Pinehenge, Passport, and Birth Certificate will be on the way I don't have a scanner at this time.I also have pictures from 1976 when I went on my visit we stayed at the Poland SpringsInn or whatever but what would help everyone is Howard Fink is in the Pic and nobody could forget Howard. I also have corresponding pics to show age progression. I was 16/17 in the pics w/ Howard, he was my chauffeur. Ya know I was also thinking about Fred and Tim Foreman does anyone remember them they were brothers in E5 w/ me. Now Howard is standing right next to me along w/ my sisters . Now are you saying they also aren't Bennisons.(my sibling).
Now I know it takes more effort to check me out then accuse me of not being who I am and that's OK, as soon as we get the scanner fixed pics will be coming early next week. In the mean time send me a fax# and at least we can start the varification process.
Now I don't presume to think that this will heal any wounds that I may have caused, the only thing I think it will do is put a face to the name and at least show you who your talking to. Then maybe some people will reconize me, once again I was very quite and low key back then. The only thing I remember doing in E3 was going in the ring (for the house) to box with a freind and hating every minute of it, then being told I fight like a pussy b/cuz a wouldn't fight him nor would he fight me. Peter/Jeff then put someone else in. I had alot of freinds from R.I. their which for some reason alot of you folks remember but don't remember me. Well you had alot folks coming in from Chicago from the same centers and you got to know one another same in R.I.
Contact me if you want or jusy keep posting what you want , I already have my work set out for me and I am not going to be distracted anymore by my insecurities of whether you accept me or not or like me. I think I understand what I have to do now.
In conculsion now, please know that I am truely sorry for my past transgressions I put upon residents at Elan while being a resident and as a employee. My amends is far from over. Thanks Danny Peace and Love

#22 Post by Danny Bennison » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:09 pm

Felice please erase any confidental info what I did was stupid to say the least. take care.

#23 Post by Eliscu2  » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:51 pm

Felice only being in their 8 mons. in 81/82, well of course you or anybody you know won't know me. I was gone 3/4 yrs. by then. Once again another Elanian that finds it easier to bash then investigate. Here is what is so comical you say you want to close down Elan, " Be a part of that whole crusade" yet you won't look into a member throughly to see if your feeling and thoughts are valid. No we hired someone to do our investigations and interviews, I'm just going to sit back and take care of the things I want to never mind anything else. Well in time there will be more questionable members coming I'm sure, and your antenei will be up with all its paranoia glory ( which I'm not blaming you it is well deserved) but give the next person the benefit of the doubt. If your going to accuse don't be so cocky and arrogant to believe that you don't have to have facts first', you do felice. Oh I know (Mr. standby rational) "I don't give a FUCK", Fuck off. Very nice way of living life, that way you never have to really engage w/ folks. Well blow me off all you want, but you still hurt my feeling and you had a chance to engage. I know "fuck off".

FUCK OFF :fuckoff:

#24 Post by Danny Bennison » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:02 pm

Felice thanks for all your help. This is sincere!!!!..Your insite has helped me to hang on and if I left I wouldn't be able to have our chats. Man I would miss our chats.

#25 Post by bossybee39  » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:12 am

No offense but giving out your address and number online is not only fucken stupid but highly dangerous. WTF is wrong with you to put everyone in danger. We even tell children not to give out information, do you not listen. OMFG I think that was not to wise Danny.I may not see eye to eye with you too much but omfg there are unstable people on here, especially ppl that have such driven hate for elan staff. That was beyond stupid, go smack yourself a few times. omfg

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#26 Post by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:34 am

No offense but giving out your address and number online is not only fucken stupid but highly dangerous. WTF is wrong with you to put everyone in danger. We even tell children not to give out information, do you not listen. OMFG I think that was not to wise Danny.I may not see eye to eye with you too much but omfg there are unstable people on here, especially ppl that have such driven hate for elan staff. That was beyond stupid, go smack yourself a few times. omfg

You are exactly right in everything you said , no excuses I really thought I was talking confidentially w/ F on there email line here. I don't know it was stupid no doubt. I am correcting it now as fast as I can. Please tell (F) to erase to please.

#27 Post by bossybee39  » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:46 pm

Hey Danny not to be a jerk here but you are totally giving ppl what they want, you need t get your information off fornits. Be more careful cuz regardless if likeppl like you or I are on here, we got families at home too that dont need the hotility we encountr daily. I may call you a name or get all pissed at you, but seep down I would be upset if anything bad happened. Thats the beauty of these forums I can yell and scream but trully aint going to hurt anyone. It is concerning as to how fast you gt these ppl mad at you and yelling at you. Danny did you consider maybe your feeling insecure about life a bit so your allowing them to attack and bait you? No offense but in this site and the elansurvivorsgoup. com site you are very easily baited. IDK you would think since you worked a bit in the field you would have more sense to blow most of it off then actually take it to heart. Idk thought you would have more grit in ypu, and be strong. Well happy holidays.

#28 Post by bossybee39  » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:47 pm

sorry cant spell just woke up, so please excuse the typos and try to figure out what I meant. Coffeee still not kicked in at all.

#29 Post by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:15 pm

Hey Danny not to be a jerk here but you are totally giving ppl what they want, you need t get your information off fornits. Be more careful cuz regardless if likeppl like you or I are on here, we got families at home too that dont need the hotility we encountr daily. I may call you a name or get all pissed at you, but seep down I would be upset if anything bad happened. Thats the beauty of these forums I can yell and scream but trully aint going to hurt anyone. It is concerning as to how fast you gt these ppl mad at you and yelling at you. Danny did you consider maybe your feeling insecure about life a bit so your allowing them to attack and bait you? No offense but in this site and the elansurvivorsgoup. com site you are very easily baited. IDK you would think since you worked a bit in the field you would have more sense to blow most of it off then actually take it to heart. Idk thought you would have more grit in ypu, and be strong. Well happy holidays.

Well what can I say, : I'm, a old softy, and you folks are leather ( pure skin tight leather). I was in this business 31 yrs. ago I don't claim to know Shit really. (I mean that in a good way). I didn't even kno the rules of engaement for these sites I am a newbe with very sensitive skin right now. SO this is what "I am going to do" is regroup and slow down/quite down and be a witness for awhile. I am still being attacked and that will go on, especially w/ folks I was in the Elan w/ they feel betrayed (as I sure you already kno). So I have to find a place within me to deal w/ this. A place where I can be of service always.

Hey thanks for all your help (you really have been; you and F.) Love and Peace Danny

#30 Post by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:48 pm

Hey everyone it is Monday 12/14 and it is raining here in Georgia. "It's raining Down in Georgia, Oh it's.... "you get it".
I made a attempt to bridge the gap w/ my past involving Elan. This was done in all honesty and with a great deal of emphathy. To have expectations would be very dangerous for me at this time (Emotions), so I pray that my relationship w/ this community can heal and I leave the results to someone or thing to decide. I'll kno in time.
Why do I post this, b/cuz I hope someone like myself will read this and feel hope that they can have the courage to begin the road to become a part of the community they started in as a resident, once I became a employee I set off a chain of events I wish that I never had. It doesn't matter if it was one day or 18mons. (as in my case) or how young I was. IT is not about me now, I get it. Thank God.
I did not post my apology here, as other particapants have. I chose to post it on the site, that I was involved with. They need to see my truth directly.
I am starting to post here often, but most I come here as a student. I have learned so much in my short time, I was floundering in that sea of guilt and shame and you folks helped immensely to bring my ass to shore. My Amends clarified itself "right here".
Ursus, Felice , Phy, bossybee, Joel, Guest,..................and to the (orginator/ 's plural) thank you Danny AS ALWAYS love and peace. P.S. And everyone else not mentioned thanks and have a Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am proud to have such brothers in Arms on this road. (sisters F.)

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#31 Post by tjr7777  » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:26 pm

Marty,
While i don't agree that Joe Ricci was as you insinuated an innocent angel, Nor do i accept that you were but a pawn in the giant game, I have to ask why it is you waited 30 some years to finally decide it was time to break away... But let me say this http://www.elansurvivorsgroup.com is a safe place for anyone and everyone ever involved or associated with E'lan.. As one the founding members of the site i can offer you safe passage to the site, and assistance in what it appears you are striving for...

#32 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:08 am

I am not sure Marty is even posting here,I know this could be a whole lot of fun for some folks. I just hope it is not at the expence of someone b/cuz then we are defeating the purpose of this thread/forum. I think a troll ( MartyDan) has had his/her fun and moved on.
Thanks b/cus I would really like to hear from the serious folks that are suffering out there.
Now I know there are folks that don't appreciate or accept Ex- staff on this Fornits. OK don't want to fight this battle, I can see the war. Take out the Generals/Top Brass and convert them or destroy (Demise) them and you gain ground. I want to shut down every center that resembles Elan, I think I have my niche at going about this, not orginal (not by far) just using tools at my disposal. My focus will stay on Elan until we complete what we started. Love and Peace

P.S. "I said I don't want to fight this battle". What I really mean is I have empathy for you , I can't change what I did but I can change the "Now" one day at a time and show you I am commited to ending this abuse at Elan.

#33 Post by Sock Monkey » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:24 am

I am not sure Marty is even posting here,I know this could be a whole lot of fun for some folks. I just hope it is not at the expence of someone b/cuz then we are defeating the purpose of this thread/forum. I think a troll ( MartyDan) has had his/her fun and moved on.
Thanks b/cus I would really like to hear from the serious folks that are suffering out there.
Now I know there are folks that don't appreciate or accept Ex- staff on this Fornits. OK don't want to fight this battle, I can see the war. Take out the Generals/Top Brass and convert them or destroy (Demise) them and you gain ground. I want to shut down every center that resembles Elan, I think I have my niche at going about this, not orginal (not by far) just using tools at my disposal. My focus will stay on Elan until we complete what we started. Love and Peace

P.S. "I said I don't want to fight this battle". What I really mean is I have empathy for you , I can't change what I did but I can change the "Now" one day at a time and show you I am commited to ending this abuse at Elan.

Danny shutting down Elan is a far cry from last week when you were telling everyone to do what the Elan family would want everyone to do and to sober up, smarten up, grow up… You were pretty rude to anyone who even asked you polite questions Eliscu2, Ursus, Inculcated and Joel and probably more. Now you’ve changed your tune. If you want people to take you seriously and not be seen as a troll and understand where your coming from you could start by explaining your big flip flop. Did you ever get around to that apology you said you were working on or what?

People find a spirit larger than you and humble yourself. That's what I do today. Peace of mind you don't know how valuable it is until you lost it. Lets move on find solutions and be humane that's what are fellow Elan family would want from us to be of service. Peace and Love Danny

#34 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:17 am

Shock Monkey, Keep reading my posts your jumping the gun on this one, just as I did in my defense. I have never condoned, accepted or said really anything in writing or speech that I hope would imply that I am on board w/ fucking Elan.
You were experiencing my virginity on posting to sites and not understanding. BTW why can't you or any of the others you named be accountable for your sarcasism towards me. Is this b/cuz you have been on here longer.
Now I will say I am not going down that slippery slope of anger, hissing , profane verbage , non forgiving that other folks do. Why?? I can't afford it I'm 51yrs. old I don't have but maybe 30 yrs. left I refuse to give that power to Elan.
Keep looking for trolls to step on, personally who the fuck cares. My wings are open brother. Holla' as they say in Georgia./

#35 Post by Danny Bennison » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:27 am

Shockly, Flip Flop com'on you haven't been doing your Homework Dude. I am not biting " Do your homework" and I will respond. Remember you brought this up and questioned my character, NO BIG DEAL just asking for clarity. I have posts out there, and untold amounts of writing, tapes and conversations about what I have been posting. Sorry I just did not kno about Fornits Home. So I kind of jumped in, like in the middle of a thought and nobody knew where I was coming from. I got sensitive about feeling ("naked out in the hall and you realized you forgot the key") so com'on give a break with the heavy guns. Love and Peace Danny :cheers:

[Ursus]

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#36 Post by Danny Bennison » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:31 pm

Hey everyone it is Monday 12/14 and it is raining here in Georgia. "It's raining Down in Georgia, Oh it's.... "you get it".
I made a attempt to bridge the gap w/ my past involving Elan. This was done in all honesty and with a great deal of emphathy. To have expectations would be very dangerous for me at this time (Emotions), so I pray that my relationship w/ this community can heal and I leave the results to someone or thing to decide. I'll kno in time.
Why do I post this, b/cuz I hope someone like myself will read this and feel hope that they can have the courage to begin the road to become a part of the community they started in as a resident, once I became a employee I set off a chain of events I wish that I never had. It doesn't matter if it was one day or 18mons. (as in my case) or how young I was. IT is not about me now, I get it. Thank God.
I did not post my apology here, as other particapants have. I chose to post it on the site, that I was involved with. They need to see my truth directly.
I am starting to post here often, but most I come here as a student. I have learned so much in my short time, I was floundering in that sea of guilt and shame and you folks helped immensely to bring my ass to shore. My Amends clarified itself "right here".
Ursus, Felice , Phy, bossybee, Joel, Guest,..................and to the (orginator/ 's plural) thank you Danny AS ALWAYS love and peace. P.S. And everyone else not mentioned thanks and have a Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am proud to have such brothers in Arms on this road. (sisters F.)

Joel,
You asked where my apology is/was, "one page back" (2), thou it may not have officially looked the part, the compact version was there. The actual "one" as it states (above in the quote) is on "Elan's" site where it belongs for now. Thanks for inquiring.

#37 Post by Danny Bennison » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:15 pm

I have not posted here in a few days or so. I was hoping there would be more dialog w/ staffers...ect, maybe it is to early still not enough folks kno this is here. I'll tell ya' thou I see alot of (ex) staff communicating w/ their previous treatment centers. Which as I saw in one post here is causing distress for this one member. The Ex-staff was saying they hadn't caused any abuse @ this center. Now I am not obviously saying this happens w/all ex-staff or will infer a general reaction like that.
Yet, I am a little taken back by the lack of awareness of the consequences, of such remarks being posted on your student/
residents F/B site.
(This was me @ one time in my life) monopolized w/ a dispassion for myself and what I went through as a resident @ Elan....Then I carried this out to the residences w/ a indignation, as if saying, " Hey I went through it, so shut up and do it". That's is my reality...how immature I was. This plight I was in (my universe) sucked.
Folks we need to help, Ex- employees we need to pay attention and stop the "abuse" even after we are gone. I need heed and listen. Thanks Love and Peace Danny

[Matt C. Hoffman]

Hey Folks ,

This is an apology to Felice ,Mark, Sharon and anyone else that I may have offened by passing on what I had believed to be true.

It is hard for me to describe my feelings or position about bennision. I feel very tricked off, probably sums it up. I did not know that these posts existed ,nor many of the other posts that bennison had written.

Where these things went I don't know ,seemed like whole topics got deleted and I really appreacate the efforts by Ursus and Felice ,Ginger to find these topics and get them back on the elan Fornits site.

It was later than I thought when I first believed you .... yes danny thats for you. (and only you) since I know you read these posts. disrespect gimme a break... you are jamming crap own peoples throats and people don't like it , You are too wrapped up in your what works for you mentally that you seem to feel that it should work for everyone else.

Funny its how elan and ricci and his henchmen felt. The apple didn't fall far boy, from that tree.

You know I am glad for you that you found something that works for you.  

I am amazed at your insensitivity to other program suviviors who had the 12 crammed down their throats along with their particular brand of program wash. It blows my mind that you can't seem to realize what you are doing.

You are re-traumatizing other program suviviours. Who in the hell are you to do that! What program director fairy has given you this insane right . Blows my little mind that you just don't get it.

Back in elan it was known as throwing up peoples areas just so you know exactly what I'm talking about.

This bringsngs me back to my original point . Yes danny and I have had a few telephone conversations. from these conversations I truly was led to believe that danny was "just a delivery driver ,gopher,ect. that he wasn't really staff. Sure we shot the breeze remembering a lot of people. but never once did danny tell me what he posted on the facebook page about how he was a driver for only two months, and what his role was in parsonsfield and elan 7.

Therefore I feel that I mislead good people in passing on what I thought was true about danny and actually I do feel pretty stupid. (Mark you know)

I guess it was too good to be true ,that an ex -assistant director would come forward and really want to try to help expose elan and its inner workings.  

Wish in one hand and spit in the other ,see which one fills up the faster. (good old boy saying about wishing)

I do appreacate the fact that though I was wrong in my beliefs about the boy , that none of y'all fornits folks let me have it about this issue. I seriously mean it thank you. I don't know if it was that maybe I would see the light eventually or what , I really thank you.

Now danny one thing you need to really remember is that you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time .

trick me off shame on me , trick me off twice shame on you.

peace

Matt