My TTI Postings (general discussion)

[Botched Programming]

This is about par for the course. Whooter still will not give a straight answer to the question about his kids. Says he only used sock puppets to even the scales. Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with. Come on people don't you see what this is all about ?? To me it seems he suffers from mental illness "Meglomania". He don't seek normal conversations he looks for arguements, and by us stooping to his level it makes him feel better about himself. He considers all of us liars, and yeah he can not stand it when people can prove him wrong. He becomes billigerent, this is why he loves DJ, Anne, Troll Control and Yoman, they give him what he needs to feel good about himself some kind of battle. I would almost bet he does not know what it feels like to have friends so he thrives on enemies.

[Whooter]

Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with.

I did lay out the registered names I had/have on fornits.  It was several posts ago you may have missed it.  I have asked if anyone feels that I have any others they can check the registered names list database here on fornits and we can do a search to verify if they were mine or not.



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[Botched Programming]

Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with.

I did lay out the registered names I had/have on fornits.  It was several posts ago you may have missed it.  I have asked if anyone feels that I have any others they can check the registered names list database here on fornits and we can do a search to verify if they were mine or not.



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I really don't feel any of us could believe anything you say Whooter, people have exposed you to be a liar several times as well as you using a sock puppet acting like a survivor answering you own questions talking about how wonderful the program was and how it saved your life. By you impersonating a survivor, that is probably one of the worst things you could do, made you out to be nothing more than a lie... Why did you feel the need to do that in the first place ??Also if your conscious is clear on the sign in why does it bother you so much what we believe ??

[RobertBruce]

Look, Bruce, stop all the attacks. I read the posts before and after that one and I cannot tell why I changed it. Maybe you were trolling me on another thread so I took the opportunity to even the scales, but besides that I really do not know on this one. I dont have an answer.
On a side note: If you dont feel you think my answers are going to be honest then why are you asking? Why waste both of our times? I consider myself a moderate because I am middle of the road. I can see that some programs are abusive while others are not. I dont take an extreme view where all programs are good or bad. You can view me anyway you like but lets stay away from personal attacks on one another.

I have already ended my dialog with DJ,Watchful Yeoman on this thread. If you view this as just another way to bash me then this thread can end here for me. Give it some thought, supply a link and I will do the best I can to answer why I posted what I did.

I am not attacking you Whooter. I am merely stating facts as there are currently available. Here is the original posts for the 3rd time.

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10

Again, I would like to see some amount of accountabilty from you. At the very least don't attempt to blame me for your actions. I guess I take issue with the fact that you on a regular basis accuse me and others of playing games, and attacking from the shadows with zero evidence, yet you refuse to take respondsibility for your own actions.

[Whooter]

I really don't feel any of us could believe anything you say Whooter, people have exposed you to be a liar several times as well as you using a sock puppet acting like a survivor answering you own questions talking about how wonderful the program was and how it saved your life. By you impersonating a survivor, that is probably one of the worst things you could do, made you out to be nothing more than a lie... Why did you feel the need to do that in the first place ??Also if your conscious is clear on the sign in why does it bother you so much what we believe ??

Look at it from everyones elses perspective BP.  99% of the people on fornits disagree with me.  99% of people agree with Dysfuntion Junction/Watchful Yeoman.  None of us have any visibility into any other posters here, but I was able to expose all of DJ’s posts.  He claimed to have never posted under any other names and never guest posted.  I was able to show that he posted 3,500 guest posts and had many other aliases.  He posted as parents, survivors, he posted filth pretending to be a pedophile, he pretended to be abused in a program etc.  

So he represents the average anti-program poster here on fornits because everyone rallies to support him.  If he didn’t represent the average poster than people would have come out and disagreed with him pretending to be abused in a program etc. so it is a good bet that many did the same as he did.

So based on that information  how many of the people supporting him have also made up stories of abuse or pretended to be a survivor or parent?  We have only looked at one anti-program person who claimed to have never posted as a guest and it turns out to be 3,500 what are we to believe about all the other regulars here who rush out to support his actions?  Do you see what I mean?

So as a minimum those who come out to support dysfunction Junctions/Watchful Yeomans  actions have probably done the same thing he has or atleast support his tactics to further the anti-program position.  Subsequently  we are looking at a very large number of people here on fornits who embrace the action of fabricating stories of abuse, kids in programs who never attended, program parents etc. like DJ did.  Otherwise why would they support his actions?



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[RobertBruce]

Once again you are using flawed logic. You're using conjecture and assumptions to claim what you believe others are doing. The fact of the matter is you have no real basis. Can you point to a post of someone supporting DJ's actions?

Wait a second, I'll do your homework for you......well rather I'll take a page from your playbook.


DJ saw the games you were playing by posting under various guises and backrounds. He simply sought to "add balance" and "even the scales". DJ is a moderate middle of the road poster who was being trolled by you. He showed that you have more than 10,000 posts after he exposed you and all the games you play.


Using your logic we can safely assume that given that there are only a small number of pro program posters like yourself, and given that none of them have condemned your actions, it stands to reason they are all playing the same games you are.

Agreed?

[Samara]

DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.

[Whooter]

DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.

There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also.  This doesnt justify their actions.



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[Anne Bonney]

DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.

There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also.  This doesnt justify their actions.

Well, no but that really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[Whooter]

DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.

There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also.  This doesnt justify their actions.

Well, no but that really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

No but it makes a point.

In an earlier post it stated that DJ pretended to be abuse victims, parents, pedophile and posted filth.  He claimed to have never posted under any other user name and never posted as a guest.  Yet we found 3,500 guest posts and many aliases.

But Samara is saying that this is okay because he never justified program abuse.  So as long people dont justify program abuse it is okay to do all these things?  How much are we willing to tolerate as long as someone refrains from justifying program abuse?  Could they murder people?  Rape people?

This was my point.  I should have tried to make it more clear.



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[Anne Bonney]

In an earlier post it stated that DJ pretended to be abuse victims, parents, pedophile and posted filth.  He claimed to have never posted under any other user name and never posted as a guest.  Yet we found 3,500 guest posts and many aliases.

So you guys are pretty much tied then.

But Samara is saying that this is okay because he never justified program abuse.

No, she's saying that there's a difference.  Especially since this is a site populated mainly by survivors of these abusive programs, it might at the very least be a bit more understandable, as it sometimes feels like we're being victimized all over again by program people.

So as long people dont justify program abuse it is okay to do all these things?

No, again....that's your spin on it.

How much are we willing to tolerate as long as someone refrains from justifying program abuse?  Could they murder people?  Rape people?

This was my point.  I should have tried to make it more clear.

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Yup.

[Botched Programming]

Look at it from everyones elses perspective BP.  99% of the people on fornits disagree with me.  99% of people agree with Dysfuntion Junction/Watchful Yeoman.  None of us have any visibility into any other posters here, but I was able to expose all of DJ’s posts.  He claimed to have never posted under any other names and never guest posted.  I was able to show that he posted 3,500 guest posts and had many other aliases.  He posted as parents, survivors, he posted filth pretending to be a pedophile, he pretended to be abused in a program etc.  

So he represents the average anti-program poster here on fornits because everyone rallies to support him.  If he didn’t represent the average poster than people would have come out and disagreed with him pretending to be abused in a program etc. so it is a good bet that many did the same as he did.

So based on that information  how many of the people supporting him have also made up stories of abuse or pretended to be a survivor or parent?  We have only looked at one anti-program person who claimed to have never posted as a guest and it turns out to be 3,500 what are we to believe about all the other regulars here who rush out to support his actions?  Do you see what I mean?

So as a minimum those who come out to support dysfunction Junctions/Watchful Yeomans  actions have probably done the same thing he has or atleast support his tactics to further the anti-program position.  Subsequently  we are looking at a very large number of people here on fornits who embrace the action of fabricating stories of abuse, kids in programs who never attended, program parents etc. like DJ did.  Otherwise why would they support his actions?



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Whooter let's take a look at some of the things you have stated in the above ...(1) Yes 99% of the posters do disagree with you as we are mostly the ones who have been through the programs...
(2) DJ does not represent the average anti program poster here, he is simply the one you want to use for the standard, when in fact we are all individual...
(3)You having an issue with what he done is a personal matter between you and him, and with you doing the same thing he done but in the "PRO-PROGRAM" light made it where you can not carry any credability for your cause. And sure you have had some people that have been on your side but they have disappeared or are just pure nasty and have not been able to help your arguement
(4)And when it comes to basing abuse stories by other poster comparing them to what you feel DJ done, you don't have any proof, it is as if you are calling the 99% of people that disagree with you a liar and you have no evidence to support your claims however we are able to as there were people here to witness the abuse first hand.
(5) A while back you wondered why I had a problem with the forum being changed and you were under the assumption that it was due to sock puppetry.. Again I can say it was not and I will allow PSY to link all of my post. And I am sure that there are others that can do the same. Just don't want you to be disappointed when you see I am real, my abuse was real and so were many others here. I saw it with my own 2 eyes.
(6) There are not a large number of posters here, but I will admit that some of the parody's such as the one that messes with Danny B is hillarious, so the parody's do not count on the total amount of posters they are for amusement purposes only.

Just think about it Whooter you knew what a can of worms you opened up when you tried to defend the programs, But your lies, sock puppets, and parinoia have ruined your crediability..

[Whooter]

BP, I hear ya.  So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this.  It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.



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[Botched Programming]

BP, I hear ya.  So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this.  It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.



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No time like the present to move forward. I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts rather that just posting links with BS like what He / She said ... makes for boring conversation, however the seceret meeting story you came up with was pretty funny..

[Whooter]

BP, I hear ya.  So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this.  It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.



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No time like the present to move forward. I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts rather that just posting links with BS like what He / She said ... makes for boring conversation, however the seceret meeting story you came up with was pretty funny..

I agree I did get sidetracked into a lot of bull shit.  It would be nice to get back to providing information and adding more to the site than disruption and drama.
Your avatar was the inspiration for the secret meeting story.


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