General Interest > Thought Reform
The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Is there a reason you didn't show me these hours ago? :beat: You could have saved me a half a day of going down the wrong road
Its funny they didn't come up oh 20 different kinds of searches. But I never put "fornits" in any of them
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When I said, "I don't have time enough to rifle through the entire catalogue of 'Gerald Davidson' posts on fornits at the moment," I was referring to finding "the perfect thread" to continue this conversation in, not to finding Davidson's publications.
As to why I didn't present "the evidence" sooner, it takes time to compose a list like that, what with having to copy-paste numerous differently formated sources, put links in properly, etc. etc. Perhaps you can do it quicker than I can. After all, according to some individuals who lurk in these parts, I'm a very "slow" bear! ;D
Is there a reason why you didn't believe me earlier when I told you that Davidson did teach at Harvard Medical School, and that Davidson did publish? You could've saved me half a day of having to put together such a list. :D
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman" ---Hi Ursus ,
Point taken . I use the reference of korean prisoner of war brainwashing as a generalazation ....and yes it does go further back ,( okay the penchant for facts ,fair enough)I can't imagine a study where a subject would be given LSD -25 for over 77 day period . I am very familiar with the CIA and the Olsen deal. Okay these are facts?
I understand that the mind control research goes way back before the Koreans and yes I understand that it was our own government that tried out various forms of mind control on our own citizens, and the U.S. was way ahead a leader in this (to me bazarre )research. And of course it would be the ones that could be easily worked ,thru the fact that they were the dregs of a society, I get this.
The CIA has done a lot of nasty stuff over the years ,and most recenctly the big cocaine for money for guns during Regans time (he had to have known) that nasty little war and of course the enhanced interrogation techniques during this most recent war.
The school of the Americias , known for teaching harsh interrogation techniques and lets not for get that the senior Bush was also head of the CIA before he was elected to office . Ah the shudders ,the evil that men do.It hasbeen said that the school of the Americas (in Florida) was also the chief exporter of thumb screws to third world countries.the school of the Americas was hoping when Bush senior was head of the CIA.
There is money to be made in torture devices and in the knowledge of being able to torture a person. A dictator will gladly pay you for the supposed imformation ,and they won't care how you got it or get it.....whoa thats the same thing the U.S. did thru Bush Jrs. signing off on the enhanced interrogation techniques. Some of those techniques made the light of day , human pyramids , forcing muslim men to masturbate and filming it . Yeah there are some sick people in our government I will give you that but hey remember its a war (yeah right)
War stimulates our economy ..lol... though the Bushes war is killing this country on so many levels.
It also makes sense that the CIA moved it operations to Canada for the legal ramifacations back in the early days of this mind control research. Gosh imagine trying to figure out a way to erase a persons identity and change their personality. I am willing to bet that there were some traumatic mistakes occured and Olsen is the only one that made it to the light of day.
It gives Robert Ludlums books ,albiet fiction some credence.(the Bourne books)
I don't know ,anyone think that elan may have been watched or studied by the government thru Davidson (progress reports ). I don't think that were were experimented on. They already had that info . Maybe Elan was allowed to be as extreme as it was to see how a cross section of the populace would react under those insane ,violent sadistic conditions ... who knows . I truly believe that it still was one of those see a need ,and Ricci saw a way to make serious money and Davidson supplied the knowledge as to how these methods worked . Ricci was only about getting rich, at any cost regardless who got hurt. and like I said earlier maybe Davidson was troubled by the hippocratic oath, ...do no harm . At the time he renounced Elan , so much harm had already been done.
When one really thinks about it pertaining to Synanon do you really think it was an original idea of Charles Dietrict ?, maybe he had some gentle persuaision from the black ops folks?
Still one thing is true who ever was involved , regardless of the program ,they did not expect us to survive ,nor did they expect us to wake up from the so called washing that some experienced rather hardcore..
Still bottom line Elan was a sadistic ,violent ,criminally abusive soul eating hell hole , that made serious ,I mean huge amounts of money off of the whole shebang . CIA or not Joe Ricci and Davidson got rich off this hell hole and its means to its ends.The knowledge was already there (mind control, behaviour modifacation,brain washing ) , they just capitalized on it rather quickly ..hmmm...
Point taken Ursus
Peace
Matt
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Thanks for that extra bit of context, Matt. I do appreciate it!
I also rather suspect that it's not just the CIA who were mucking about with this type of stuff, but the Dept. of Defense as well...
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Matt C. Hoffman:
Hi Ursus ,
You have posted a treasure trove of info ,as it pertains to mind control on the Davidson's niece's thread. I thank you. I thank you.
Mind contol seems to have already been very much established in these programs by the time some of the aricles that you have posted were created in 1971 and these men talk about them as it is just business.....It is facinating reading pertaining to some of the testimonies by a Dr. Caserial (and others) and his advocacy of some thing that he called AREBA, out right behavior modifacation or mind control , during these hearings.
AREBA...accellerated reduction of Emotions behaviors and attitudes . and it is designed for upper and middle class.
It had a spacific targeted set of people , amazing .
AREBA : A private therapeutic community for the rehabilitation of middle and upper
class drug addicts and other behavioral bankrupts. AREBA (accelerated reeducation of
emotions, behavior and attitudes).
Caserial and Davidson knew each other they spoke at the same hearings. . Ursus you have found something that mentions Daytop and Synanon. It is quite interesting , especially the talk about the wonder drug Perses.
Mind control was very much part of the accepted treatment modality by what , the inception of Synanon in 1958 . The techniques are not really portrayed in the chronic light as how Ricci portrayed Daytop, in his few seminars as to the differences between his program and Caserial 's Daytop.
It was wild how shortly after I heard Ricci compare and put down Daytop nad its abusive nature, Ricci out right told us his program was going to be better than (Daytop) and not as abusive (it went downhill fast) ,his program became worse than what he had described Daytop to have been like. And this was two weeks or less after I got there in '74. It is unbelievable how much worse it became .
From the testamonies in 1971 at this selct hearing ,mind control ,whatever you want to call it , was firmly entrenched as an accepted and viable way to change addicts as in AREBA, though the tactics or techniques were not disclosed , or elaborated upon in great detail , obviously the men doing the questioning at the hearing did not want to know and , the ones testifying certainly didn't want to disclose the truth or have it be part of the public record . Understandably because their means were quite sadistic , violent and brutal as in what we experienced in elan from 74 on. And from what Rcci told us about his experience from Daytop,
shoot maybe when Ricci was talking about how abusive Daytop was in those seminars ,he was really preparing us for what was to come , and did it come. I remeber two seminars where he talked about Daytop.
Mind control and all the black ops info passed form the military to eventually mainstream society at the time the war on drugs was just beginning .What was learned from these experiments became refined ,and the accepted way , and the modality of treatment for many of these programs . Synanon was the first consumer and comercially available program, that I see benefited from these black ops and experiments aimed at at mind controll and brainwashing.
what I question is when did these programs become cults? Was it the personality of Charles D. , like Jim Jones , of that nasty little kool aid drinking situation , I mean he had people follow him blindly down to death and it was close to a thousand folks that died, or is it the unwanted by-product that commerically available programs like Elan , Synanon generated that just happened or something no one had studied or predicted or realized .
Kinda like they knew the burning of fossils would run engines ,though they had no clue at the time when this practice started , how this burning of fossil fuels had by products that could harm harm the atmosphere especially that pesky leaded stuff.. (and yes I know Synanon was tax exempt because it tried to call itself a church ,and later this was recinded ). Does anyone know ?
Below is the article that you posted ursus that is much more about other things (mind control) than just Davidson , if fact I have not read Davidson contribution to this hearing , and I can imagine its a doosey,I will be getting to it shortly ....lol...
NARCOTICS RESEARCH, REHABILITATION, AND TREATMENT HEARINGS
BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON CRIME
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION (1971)
"Davidson, Dr. Gerald E., associate director, drug dependency clinic, Boston City Hospital, study entitled "Results of Preliminary Perse Study"....: 331"
peace
Matt
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