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The Macy Conferences:The Minds behind Mind Control
Matt C. Hoffman:
Hi DragonFly. I have been wanting to get in touch with you!
I really do not know .The Gottlieb I knew as a director was about 32 years old . He was from Boston from what I remember . He had a serious boston accent . He could be calm and talking sensibly and then could become like a Mr.hyde. ...he considered himself to be elite .....yet on one day during a particularly boring seminar ,that he and Kruglik were running into the ground , I mean boring. He told us something about himelf, that to this day I still find funny.
Towards the end he asked if anyone had any questions and a soul raised their hand (I think I still remember who it was ) and asked Jeffery "what would you be doing if you were not working here at elan ?"...Jeffery milked the moment forever ,saying this` was a fantastic question and mulled the question over and over , smokimg a cigarette in the process of wracking his mind.
We are on the edge of our seats just wondering what the great Jeffery would be doing if he weren't working at elan ....a doctor ,lawyer , he just milked this until our own internal voices are practically screaming out loud , tell us ,what would you be doing .....and you know finally Jeffery has that eureka moment and says I've got it ...the context of the seminar was the more you put of yourself into the pot (elan) the more you will get out .....pure unadulterated direct indoctronation.
Finally after a little more posturing and really it was the only time that the house was really awake during this seminar ,he tells us.
Jeffery said I would be a shoe sales man .....frst thought that went thru my mind was dirty stinkin feet . I had to biter my tongue to keep from laughing out loud, for it woulde have brought certain pain. Here was the great elite Boston boy Jeffery aspiring to be a shoesales man if he weren't working at elan directing abuse that was sadistic and criminal . Jeffery I believe really enjoyed working at elan .
Sydney Gottlieb ,boy what a piece of work ...I have no idea if they were related or not. I honestly don't think so.
DragonFly you spoke about a Televison personality that had sent their kid to elan and eventually pulled them out ....I don't want to mention their name here , It was a private convo that you and I had once (lol) recently ......Do you have their contact info . I would like to try to speak with them ....Good question by the way ,I trust things are going well. And thanks agqain for that smoke ..lol..I haven't had one since ...lol...there you have no worries.
peace
Matt
Matt C. Hoffman:
Dragonfly
Sorry I can't spell I am tending to agree with you about Charles he just doesn't come across as that smart a man to have created what Synanon turned out to be . That would be Charles Dedricht, still probably mispelling.
He just doesn't seem to have that it factor ,of a cult leader. He seems kinda low brow. From what I hasve seen and read.
I also have read Herer's book or I should say Jack's book met him out in Oregon . I think we are seeing the truth of his book how it pertains to the corporations. and it is amazing how Romny seems to think corporations are people . I always thought a people was a person and a corporation was an enitity. Mitt seems to think corporations are people at least that what he told some hecklers in New Hampshire yesterday .
This was in pertaining to the corporation tax loop hole that some hecklers were questioning him on , lol... looks like Mitts already been bought . He showed his hand a little early me thinks , wonder how many Americans agree with Mitt that corporations are the same as a person .....blows my little mind. we are doomed to be slaves to big oil and big pharma , it scary but it sure looks that way ....lol.....And dictated how to be by these corporations money and influence thru the rules that are destroying our rights and being implemented by the bought Romnys of our government , what happened to "for the people and by the people" ....Mitt sure doesn't feel that way ...lol...what a fool you know I hope that remark dogs him thru out the this whole shitty process that we will have to endure until that fateful election day.
(Or was that a subtle form of mass mind control testing to see how the populace will react to the truth or is it and then the lie that corporations are people .....lol...simply helping us become the sheep that our government so wants us to be . Thats the problem with the camels nose, if thev camel sticks his nose in your tent what is there to keep the rest of him from coming right on in . A diffferent way of looking at the slippery slope.)
Peace
Matt
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Two things about Gerald Davidson. One: Either Allenbach is a liar, or he was lied to, because if Davidson was on the faculty at Harvard he would be published many times. He's not. "Publish or Perish" is their motto.
The other is what I do see. He wouldn't be in HPM because he said publicly that Elan's therapy didn't work. That's why he split up with Joe. But here's the thing, in order to come to that conclusion, there had to be a test experiment to base it on. That sounds a lot like us :)
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Mmm. Hope you won't take this the wrong way, but... Allenbach is not a liar (at least in this respect).
Dr. Gerald E. Davidson was indeed, at one point, Instructor in the Dept. of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Moreover, he also collaborated on a number of published scientific papers, with a variety of other professionals, usually on topics such as methadone treatment and patient anxiety, iirc.
Keep in mind that Davidson had responsibilities as a practicing clinician in addition to his academic ones, so the lack of umpteen hundreds of citations for a google of his name is to be expected. Davidson saw patients in area hospitals, and also ran and/or was associated with one or more clinics, e.g. that one in Chestnut Hill. Such professional endeavors would be expected to take up a certain percentage of one's time... eh? ;)
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His role at Harvard was the same as Elan. He was never there. I've found a grand total of 3 articles he's mentioned in, and none he's written. I asked my wife's brother to check him out, he graduated Harvard. He knows how to get information there better than any ofus.
How did Allenbach study under Davidson at Elan? The man was never there.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Two things about Gerald Davidson. One: Either Allenbach is a liar, or he was lied to, because if Davidson was on the faculty at Harvard he would be published many times. He's not. "Publish or Perish" is their motto.
The other is what I do see. He wouldn't be in HPM because he said publicly that Elan's therapy didn't work. That's why he split up with Joe. But here's the thing, in order to come to that conclusion, there had to be a test experiment to base it on. That sounds a lot like us :)
--- End quote ---
Mmm. Hope you won't take this the wrong way, but... Allenbach is not a liar (at least in this respect).
Dr. Gerald E. Davidson was indeed, at one point, Instructor in the Dept. of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Moreover, he also collaborated on a number of published scientific papers, with a variety of other professionals, usually on topics such as methadone treatment and patient anxiety, iirc.
Keep in mind that Davidson had responsibilities as a practicing clinician in addition to his academic ones, so the lack of umpteen hundreds of citations for a google of his name is to be expected. Davidson saw patients in area hospitals, and also ran and/or was associated with one or more clinics, e.g. that one in Chestnut Hill. Such professional endeavors would be expected to take up a certain percentage of one's time... eh? ;)
--- End quote ---
His role at Harvard was the same as Elan. He was never there. I've found a grand total of 3 articles he's mentioned in, and none he's written. I asked my wife's brother to check him out, he graduated Harvard. He knows how to get information there better than any ofus.
How did Allenbach study under Davidson at Elan? The man was never there.
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Not wishing to derail this thread too much from its original focus, perhaps it might be better to continue this particular conversation here.
[Above link may well not be "the perfect thread" for it, but I don't have time enough to rifle through the entire catalogue of "Gerald Davidson" posts on fornits at the moment...]
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