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Ridge Creek "School" - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
heretik:
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--- Quote from: "heretik" ---No, this isn't off topic at all talking about your qualifications to discuss and argue RCS- Safety Issues. Actually it is paramount to this whole discussion. How can anyone take you seriously concerning this topic when you have extremely limited knowledge of what you are talking about. When you type exactly almost verbatim what others have wrote here and claim to have some sincere vested interest in the topic.
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If we can keep the discussion on RCS and the ORS violations then I will continue to respond to you in this thread. As far as your qualifications to speak on the subject or mine that is up for the individual readers to determine. If they feel you or I have limited knowledge of DHS then they can take it with a grain of salt.
Listen Whooter as far as you wanting to respond to me, I have never asked you to. I am not commenting on your posts so I can have a discussion with you. I am commenting to show the inept and inexperienced knowledge you bring to this discussion, concerning RCS violations. What you bring we could get at any local barbecue on a Saturday afternoon before the football games. Just theoretical intellectual summaries of a question posed. "Hey what do feel about the violations at RCS. Difference is the seriousness we (fornits members) bring to the discussion, our purpose for discussing these issues. Childrens safety.
I agree that lawsuits have been filed and programs have been shut down and children have been abused in certain programs. But this does not occur in all programs. DHS is regulating RCS and if they feel at any point that kids are being abused or are unsafe then they will write this in their report and recommend the school be closed. But they have not done this yet.
I do not believe you know just how DHS is regulating, if it is competent or not. Just because Jill Ryan, DJ and Robert Bruce do there homework doesn't mean you get to use this information in a argument of yours. In order to use someones info here you have to believe in it and know it to be true. It must assimilate within you. In all conversations especially violations (very sensitive subject) here on fornits, people must recognize the authenticity/integrity in there debater in order to engage.
Your comment on lawsuits, fines and closures of programs not happening at all of them, no kidding. This is the heartbreak most of us feel, we can not get enough people to wake up to the violations going on in these programs. It is systemic throughout the industry.
Kids are going to fight each other and staff no matter how much training you provide. This is not unique to RCS. The key is to provide the appropriate training and take measures to continuously improve their process. When RCS hires a new person they will undergo some type of training presumably. If this new person forgets to file something correctly or document an event then the inspectors will pick this up. If a staff member gets involved in a restraint without having the proper training then this needs to be reported and corrective action taken to insure this does not happen again. They will point this out to the school and it will need to be addressed. It doesn’t mean that no one cares about the kids. People make mistakes, it is in our nature. If RCS ignores the reports and fails to make changes then DHS will go after them.
Whooter, you have no factual studied bases for making these comments. Other then it sounds like that is what should happen in your mind. In your mind this is how it should work. Which is fine just say it. But as everyone else here knows it does not work this way and never has.
As far as my credentials to speak here on fornits on the topic of ORS reports I don’t see how this is an issue. I have never asked for yours. I have experience in the industry, I have had a daughter in wilderness and at a program. I have spoken to many parents and have read extensively here on fornits over the years. I am sure you bring some personal experience to the discussion also and would not fault you on your limitations in any one area. I think it is good that everyone express their opinions and share their knowledge no matter how limited it is.
As far as your credentials, like I said it is paramount to this and other discussions. You speak as if you have studied and educated yourself to the intricacies of the TTI, the state and federal agencies who govern them and last but not least this children who are placed in these programs. If you do not find this a issue, well that is not my fault.
It is not a good idea to share your limited knowledge especially when it concerns children and pretend you know best with one of your backyard opinions.
Whooter, this thread came to be because children are being neglected and not being cared for properly. The violations are concerning kids, this is the bottom line.
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heretik:
--- Quote from: "Jill Ryan" ---Does anyone happen to know where the other threads went under RCS?
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Someone threw them into the drama box.
Whooter:
I think it may be beneficial to delineate the ORS report and extract the list of infractions against RCS so that we can get a better idea of what problems they are being written up for. I have started to consolidate the information. If people have anything to add or notice items that I have missed feel free to add them in.
Here is a summary of the first few DHS findings from page 1:
1)Failure to Allow Access
Computer system was down
2)Insufficient Staffing:
Fight broke out and there were not enough staff available in the area to help out.
3) Reporting
Failed to provide summary reports within 24 hours.
4) Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline others.
Residents were attacking each other over a racial slur.
5) Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including.....
A safety intervention was not documented.
6) Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's service plan pursuant to Rule..
Child sent back to wilderness for fighting
7) Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided and sheets and pillow case.
Child in wilderness said they did not have a mattress.
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Whooter:
I believe one of the ORS reports indicated that a child said they did not have proper bedding while at wilderness.....
--- Quote from: "RCSworkhorse" ---I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
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ok...I will get off my soap box now!
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RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented.
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Yet here you are still attempting to claim numerous instances of sexual assault are simply paper work issues, and not safety ones.
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