Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the why programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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No you have not shown anything of the sort. You did not know that these programs were committing these astrocities nor did you know that they were not. You can not say with any integrity that you have any education about any TTI history. All you know is what has been said here. It isn't like Aspen executives sat down for a meeting an said, "hey guys you know we have to do better then Straight Inc., Elan, Cedu and the others that serve rotten food, stress thought reform ect..." You want us to believe that there was a conscious improvement over the years to treatment methods within the TTI. Like these programs knew they were bad so they improved. Yeah Aspen saw what Elan and Straight were like and they wanted to be better. MBA and HLA were just impatience about their way of getting better.
You keep manipulating the whole point of what everyone else is talking about here and you do it on purpose. There has been no concerted effort by any organization to improve this industry. Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
Nothing has gotten better in this industry, you just keep talking about apples when we are talking about oranges.
Nobody is discrediting, manipulating or trying to be negative concerning you. This whole speech of yours is old and rotten as it was years ago. It does not make any sense except to you.
It is so wonderful in your program (that you have made up, which is actually a school or limited weeks outward bound experience) is doing these things you have mentioned.
As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
