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Offline Dysfunction Junction

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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2010, 11:34:42 AM »
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"BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?

No. not because (he/she) was in a program, but beeause (he/she) worked at one.
Not to mention (his/her) moderation technique sucks. moving,splitting, and outright deleting threads to suit (him/her)self.
Subjectively enforcing (his/ her) own rules,. Sending private threats and warnings to those you do not agree with is not the way of free speech, it is the language of the program. BTW, anybody know if it's he keeper or she keeper?

The Gatekeeper is Joel.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2010, 11:41:09 AM »
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Staff were PAID for their participation.

There is a distinction there, though i don't know what to make of it.

Honestly, I think it's just a blind prejudice against anything involving financial gain. That's the weirdest thing about socialist philosophy; it treats making a living the same way the religious reich treats some other survival imperatives, like sex and euphoria.

Remember that money is only a marker for goods and deeds, not a thing of value in and of itself, even if it's gold or small shiny rocks clawed from the belly of the earth by hobbled Somalian slave children* .

We all got paid in one way or another for our various degrees and means of compliance, didn't we? Didn't you 7th Step? And so weren't you someone's oldcomer? Didn't you write in the OBS book?

 Some people don't trust anyone who ever got off of first phase or even anyone who ever motivated. I get that. But where do you draw the line?


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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2010, 11:46:03 AM »
No I am not without sin. The minute I held onto a beltloop as an oldcomer I gave up a little part of my soul. I could have resisted, but didn't when i did that. I don't point the finger at staff, as long as they acknowledge their sins (as I have done here, as an example).
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2010, 02:53:14 PM »
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Tiz true about the staff thing - unless it was someone hired off the street to staff the place - which is also common. And even so, such a one may have left in disgust and done what they can to expose the abuses. Or not. Whatever - I do hope people will take into consideration the requirement of time, ability and willingness of anyone offering to help with the forum.

Wonder what ever became of Clarke Pool

He wrote a book called "The Last Run" (I believe) about his days a drug runner.  He was a flyboy who imported the nose candy via small plane.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2010, 02:57:33 PM »
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"BTW, does it influence your opinion of Gatekeeper’s role here to know that they were also at one point a kid in program?

No. not because (he/she) was in a program, but beeause (he/she) worked at one.
Not to mention (his/her) moderation technique sucks. moving,splitting, and outright deleting threads to suit (him/her)self.
Subjectively enforcing (his/ her) own rules,. Sending private threats and warnings to those you do not agree with is not the way of free speech, it is the language of the program. BTW, anybody know if it's he keeper or she keeper?

The Gatekeeper is Joel.

You may have mentioned that before (I don't have evidence that it's you but I think your writing may have given you away)  viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31573  sort of like ya' mentioned Whooter's name 2,589 times.

Joel, in case you haven't figured it out yet, there are quite a few people here unhappy with you.  It's because of your behavior.  You use mod privileges to get rid of things you don't like, you taunt people and when they respond you try to ban them, you send PMs constatntly accusing people of things and generally talking out of your ass.  This is why people don't like you, Joel.  You're an asshole.  It isn't that deep.

In my case you tried to ban me and it was immediately overturned by Psy who stated you don't even understand the rules.  So now you get pissy with me because you don't know how to moderate.  Whatever, man.  You tried to get me banned, you lost, looked like an idiot and got embarassed.  Deal with it and move on.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2010, 03:05:35 PM »
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No I am not without sin. The minute I held onto a beltloop as an oldcomer I gave up a little part of my soul. I could have resisted, but didn't when i did that. I don't point the finger at staff, as long as they acknowledge their sins (as I have done here, as an example).

Ok, I guess I should further sharpen my point; that being that we all also got something--got paid--for these things. My object from the gate was to do whatever I had to to get slight relief in the short term and my ass closer to the other side of the door in the long term. I tried to do this without compromising my own ethics and conscience. But I realized some time after that my ethics and conscience had been eroded by degrees along the way and that the program has crept into so many facets of the world outside the door that we're practically all in the program now. I used to have a recurring nightmare to this effect where my daughters were newcomers and I was trying to plot our escape and keep them out of the kool aid without their busting us all out. Not too far from reality these days.... anyway...

I don't see any real distinction between former staff, former parent group member and former oldcomer. We all got took about the same. Just that some realize it and others don't.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2010, 03:08:06 PM »
And some got off on the whole power trip more than others...  ::puke::
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2010, 03:27:01 PM »
Those are the ones that should not be trusted here!!!
 Who gave the gatekeeper his authority here should reconsider that dicision.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2010, 07:46:00 AM »
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2010, 05:15:17 PM »
Trust is a barking chicken.  :eek:
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2010, 05:51:22 PM »
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Trust is a barking chicken.  :eek:


Chickens Do bark. And hens, when taken off their roost at night, will eerily scream: Heeeelp me! Well, at least one does.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2010, 12:14:48 AM »
Hey guys. I've been busy recently. Just saw the thread. The Gatekeeper can be trusted, and even If I couldn't trust him, he wouldn't be able to mess much up as he has few permissions, all moderator actions are logged, and there is an appeals process you can go through if you feel you have been unjustly warned or even informally warned.  There is nothing to worry about.  A good system has been built.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2010, 12:22:55 AM »
and DJ.  People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job.  You're being a bit cruel.  Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.
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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2010, 08:41:33 AM »
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This is why people don't like you, Joel.  You're an asshole.  It isn't that deep.


Joel gains a lot more respect then you do even on his worse days, DJ, and most of the people understand how hard it is to do what he does.  From PM's I have received over the years Joel is much more liked and respected than you are.   Joel contributes to fornits on a daily basis by donating his time, you come and go at will and spend your day trying to disrupt it.  The rules are defined and he is enforcing them.  I have received many warnings from Joel too and when I exceeded my limit he notified me that I was being banned, I was able to plead my case but I don't take it personally because he doesn't have a choice if he is to do his job effectively and fairly.  

I understand by my coming out and speaking my mind on this subject it may result in bringing more wrath against joel, but I thought this needed to be said.



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Re: this ain't right
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2010, 08:47:55 AM »
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and DJ.  People learn, as gatekeeper is learning, as one does on a new job.  You're being a bit cruel.  Gatekeeper was in a program as a student/detainee first, btw.

Then he should know better how to treat people that have been in the same boat. (please no hate responses from boat lovers). But how can someone who felt victimized by a program then willingly join the program? When people seek athority that's usually a pretty good caveat as to how they treat people in genaral. Hard to trust someone who made a living warehousing kids.I would have never bothered with this guy if he hadn't started screwing around with my posts in the first place. I don't post spam, or threats  or personal information. Byond that he should let free speech run it's own course, before the good people that are left here are gone.That would be a BAD thing.
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