WWASP- Abusing teens since 1987

[Carey]

That was me.

The parents who were having second thoughts and yet agreed to what was written in the Parent Manual must have said to themselves when having those second thoughts, "let me see, I really don't like the idea of the program using pepper spray on my child if the program thinks it is necessary, but then again I really don't like the idea of bringing my child home and having to deal with him/her...so I'll choose the pepper spray senario."

Come on, it was the parents choice in this situation in Samoa or where ever it was that that contract was written for.  It was the parents choice to send the child there and it was the parents choice to allow the "pepper spray" if so chosen by the "untrained" staff.

It sounds to me like WWASP was being used as the "hitman" by the parents.   Now the parents are regretful for what they have done, the choices they made, and want to blame it on the "hitman" who carried out their orders.  Don't we as a nation prosecute both, the hitman and the one who has paid them?  I think we even prosecute harder the person who paid for the hit?



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[Anonymous]

Carey:
stop for a moment and think that the parent may have been thinking "gee, my son/daughter has had some problems, but not the kinds of problems that would instigate the use of "restraint" or peper spray--not my child-- That is in the contract for the REALLY BAD kids, not my son/daughter.  Now, what the contract should say is:  if your son/daughter speaks at any time other than 15 minutes group and then and only during his/her turn during 1 hour in the evening, he/she will be thrown to the floor, staff knee pressed against his/her head, possibly axsphysiated from the weight placed on their body from "restraint", his/her head will or could be bashed into the wall, wrestled to the ground for smiling, randomly punished for and UNKNOWN offense or one they didn't exist, all at the discretion of the staff, and you hereby give us permission to do so and will indemnify that behavior (yes, face khan, illegally).  now, thats REALLY what it should say.  BUT WE EXPOSE THE TRUTH AND THE ABUSE WILL STOP. ::armed::

[anon]

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[Anonymous]

stop for a moment and think that the parent may have been thinking "gee, my son/daughter has had some problems, but not the kinds of problems that would instigate the use of "restraint" or peper spray--not my child-- That is in the contract for the REALLY BAD kids, not my son/daughter.

I DID stop and think,that is why my boys are not still in a program.  The risk to me was not worth the taking. I did NOT want uneducated, untrained, unqualified staff working with my kids...because of the risk of abuse.  And just think, the contract that my ex had signed was not even near that extreme, it was still pretty bad, but not to that extent.


If you are not willing to protect your own child, then why do you expect others too?  I am not condoning any kind of abuse...just trying to make a point.

[Carey]

That was me.

[Anonymous]

ok carey, i see your point.  you didn't put your child/ren in a wasp school, you would never fall for that crap about saving their lives, change for the better, improving family relationship, teaching accountability, values, blah blah blah, etc.  you'd never fall for that.  Guess What?  Plenty parents did.  You disagree with them, thats your option, but i for one don't think the parents considered a specialty school anything akin to a HITMAN for god's sake, and don't deserve to go to JAIL for falling for a big con game. my son was in one of the specialty so-called SCHOOLs for three weeks, when i discovered the information . . . the information that i believed could POSSIBLY be true, i went and got him.  He is forgiven for the acts that brought the circumstances which i made my decision on.  we have worked it out, with the help of therapists and my mom, sisters and everyone who has helped me.  He knows that i love him more than anything/anyone in the world, i've told him so and guess what?  he forgives me.  guess what else?  the individuals WHO PERPETRATED THE ABUSE will go to jail and WASP will be shut down, each and every one of them, if it takes me 2 months or 20 years it WILL BE DONE.  Sorry, but i have time, money and effort to see it done.  i admittedly made a mistake. but i dont deserve to go to jail and wasp was not my HITMAN, :roll:

[Carey]

No anon you did not want to kill your child, but you did want to teach him a lesson.  And what ever was in the contract you signed, you agreed to, inherent risks and all.   Does that validate the contract, NO.  Does that make it right NO.  

I just happen to think that you are extremely mad at those who carried out your actions when had you not hired and paid them in the first place to do so, they never would have.  Obviously they are not anymore intelligent than you are.  They wrote the contracts, DUMB, and you signed them, DUMB.  Also, if they had been smart, just as if you had been smart, they would have put measures in place to prevent any types of false alligations, just as if you would have been smart, you would have made SURE your child was in good hands.


That was my point.

[Anonymous]

What is the difference in the WWASPS contracts vs. contracts with every other RTC, behavior mod, specialty school out there?

The one posted here is probably not an updated/current contract, but in viewing other program contracts that are on-line, they are very similar.

I realize that wwasps is the target right now, but what about all the others?  Are they all giving their staff free reign to abuse children?

[Anonymous]

regarding the handcuffs, mace, electrical disabler- vow to hold harmless for all actions of employees on or off duty clauses in the earlier Teen Help/Paradise Cove/TB contracts...

David VanBlarigan's parents (on Primetime) stated that they read that part but never thought it would really be used...when asked by Cynthia McFadden...

Paul Richard's parents when asked on (48 hours) stated that they were happy to see that clause so the (poor Samoan giants) would be protected from harm (by their captives)!

there are all kinds of people and parents in this world...some made a mistake but some may have seen exactly what they wanted in the contract...that is even scarier than the Teen Helpers including it in their contract.

[Anonymous]

http://www.cedu.com/images/app_enroll.pdf - check pages 17/18 for similarities.

[anon]

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[Anonymous]

Anon,  

Carey has the ability to be very condencending
in her judging of us "dumb" parents who trusted the untrustworthy. Most of what she says could be considered accurate. If not judgemental.

I'd like to point out that Carey gave her sons to her exhusband when the twins behavior was distressing , difficult for her to handle.

Apparently the ex was not a much better choice than our speciality school choice. The boys ended up at wwasp anyway.  

Carey,they are fortunate you are smart mom.
Give the rest of us a break will ya.

Until you have walked in our shoes you have no right to judge.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-10-09 10:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ok carey, i see your point.  you didn't put your child/ren in a wasp school, you would never fall for that crap about saving their lives, change for the better, improving family relationship, teaching accountability, values, blah blah blah, etc.  you'd never fall for that.  Guess What?  Plenty parents did.  You disagree with them, thats your option, but i for one don't think the parents considered a specialty school anything akin to a HITMAN for god's sake, and don't deserve to go to JAIL for falling for a big con game. my son was in one of the specialty so-called SCHOOLs for three weeks, when i discovered the information . . . the information that i believed could POSSIBLY be true, i went and got him.  He is forgiven for the acts that brought the circumstances which i made my decision on.  we have worked it out, with the help of therapists and my mom, sisters and everyone who has helped me.  He knows that i love him more than anything/anyone in the world, i've told him so and guess what?  he forgives me.  guess what else?  the individuals WHO PERPETRATED THE ABUSE will go to jail and WASP will be shut down, each and every one of them, if it takes me 2 months or 20 years it WILL BE DONE.  Sorry, but i have time, money and effort to see it done.  i admittedly made a mistake. but i dont deserve to go to jail and wasp was not my HITMAN, :roll: "

   Personally, I do not think that you are dumb. It is not easy to be a parent and when we do mess up, which we all do in some way or another, all we can do is everything we can to fix it as much as possible. Sounds like you are doing that.

[Carey]

I'd like to point out that Carey gave her sons to her exhusband when the twins behavior was distressing , difficult for her to handle.

Once again, not the case.  First, I never gave my kids to my ex. Nor did I ever agree to not talking to them, not seeing them, not spending time with them.  YOU DID!!!  

Yes, I was having some difficulties with one of the twins.  Even so, I can promise you this, the things that he was doing  certainly did not warrent cutting him off from the love of his family.  That is exactly what you did to your child.  

When the boys went to Brazil, they went because their dad and I thought that maybe, being boys and all, they would benefit from spending some time with him.   Second, I was not having problems AT ALL with one of the boys.  One of the boys just wanted to go to Brazil for a year to spend some time with his dad.

Don't even try to equate what I did with what you did.  Not even in the same ballpark.  But you know what, had my ex handed me the contract from Dundee to sign...I would have said "kiss my ass."

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:54 ]