Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies

[Whooter]

Leave it to Mitt Romney to dig out the truth.  Good for him.  So Danny when DJ told you he had advanced degrees when working for Daytop and HLA he was not being all together truthful with you.  Previous posts show he never had an advanced degree when working for a program.
In fact he edited his post from 2005 just today in an attempt to cover and alter previous statements.

Here take a look at the bottom of this post:

DJ's altered post

at the bottom of the post it says:

“Last edited by Dysfunction Junction on 30 Jun 2010, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.”

(The above edit occurred a half hour after he wrote his previous "education time line" post to you fyi)

He edited details to cover what he is saying today.  This is DJ’s MO and you will find he does this often when caught in a lie.

I really don’t mind DJ trolling me as he does because it is a reminder that I exposed him many times in the past.  As you have probably noticed here, Danny, I don’t argue much with DJ.  The reason is that I am a firm believer that those who work day and night solely to discredit others on an open forum usually have many skeletons in their own closet and always slip up as I showed you today.  I don’t want to put the guy down, he is probably a decent guy,  but If a person has to constantly go back and rewrite posts from 5 years ago just to cover statements he is saying today that shows a desperation that I cannot relate to.

Good luck with your discussion with him.  If you stick with the facts then he will never be able to keep up.  It is actually fun after awhile but I grew tired of him.



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Glad I could help.  I usually dont get involved but I enjoy reading here and had to speak up when I noticed Dysfunction Junction altering his posts from 5 years ago right after he was challenged on the facts of his education.

[Troll Control]

Well, TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney used to claim I never worked in the industry, then never worked at HLA.  He of course now admits those facts so his position is evolving as he can't deny the facts anymore.  That's a good sign.  It shows progress and it's a big step for TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney to admit he has been wrong all along.  Hopefully this progress will continue for TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney and he will begin to get honest about himself.  We'll have to wait and see I suppose...

Oh, and Whooter, why would you make up an obviously false statement like this:

“Last edited by Dysfunction Junction on 30 Jun 2010, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.”

(The above edit occurred a half hour after he wrote his previous "education time line" post to you fyi)

20:30 GMT is 3:30pm EST, right?  But my post to Danny was at 7:29pm.  Please explain how 7:29pm is a half hour before 3:30pm.  I'm interested to hear how you can explain this, lols.  Making up post times that anybody can see for themselves (very sloppy work), using several logins and railing against people who he claims "spend day and night trying to discedit others" while doing exactly that with the only "result" to show being a conclusion that 7:29pm is a half hour before 3:30pm.  Hmmmmm....  

Whooter, being a databse expert and all, ought to be able to discern this not-so-subtle-difference in time stamps.   :roflmao:  :beat:   Oops.  Maybe you should just come clean with Danny and admit you manufactured the "timeline"?  ; )  Just sayin'...

[Whooter]

I get 56 minutes

Yesterday, 15:34  Danny responded to the heads up that DJ didn’t have advanced degrees while at Daytop and HLA.
This set Dysfunction Junction on a mission to alter up his past posts.
16:30  Dysfunction Junction edited his posts from 5 years ago to alter the truth and cover his lie. (Just one example)
20:29  Dysfunction Junction completes his new timeline and posts it.
22:10 Whooter exposes Dysfunction Junction  via edit marks.

Why is someone so desperate that they have to lie about their education just to show someone else up?  You were both staff at programs, why not just be honest?

[Troll Control]

There you go, Mitt...err...Whooter...  Now that your little story has been debunked you have to go and change it.  Sorry to say you've been QFT and can't wiggle out of your claims that 7:29pm is a half hour before 3:30pm.  It's great to watch you squirm, with multiple personalities, no less, to try to discredit people.  For being such a stickler for timelines when you were proven to have lied about your little trip to Chicago for a TTI meeting you claimed to chair do you really expect others to give you a free pass when you manufacture a timeline?  It's OK, you're "probably a nice guy who means well."  :rofl:   I think it's better for the forums if you stick to trolling me and making up timelines rather than just posting marketing spin for programs.  I'm sure nobody minds.

[Whooter]

I get 56 minutes

Yesterday, 15:34  Danny responded to the heads up that DJ didn’t have advanced degrees while at Daytop and HLA.
This set Dysfunction Junction on a mission to alter up his past posts.
16:30  Dysfunction Junction edited his posts from 5 years ago to alter the truth and cover his lie. (Just one example)
20:29  Dysfunction Junction completes his new timeline and posts it.
22:10 Whooter exposes Dysfunction Junction  via edit marks.

Why is someone so desperate that they have to lie about their education just to show someone else up?  You were both staff at programs, why not just be honest?

Mitt has been caught a few times up there in Massachusetts himself so I don’t think he will be too hard on you.  We never see eye to eye on anything.   I would suggest trying to get the focus off of yourself, Dysfunction Junction, and that post that you altered.  Try to put the focus on Whooter and maybe people will forget about what you did.  It stinks that they have that dam edit stamp, no getting around that.  Its like leaving behind DNA on some girls clothes, there is no refuting it.  All you can do is change the subject, maybe people could become interested in global warming?

[Troll Control]

The "Ever Changing Story" by TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney/Al Gore, et al.  How many logins does that make for you now?  5?  10??  I'm guessing you're out of work again?    Too much time on your hands.

Just curious if you ever did a search on your posts?  I like the way you went back and scrubbed the history of how your daughter failed after Aspen, estranged herself from you, dropped out of high school, drank, did drugs, etc. and turned it into "My daughter did very well after ASR."  A search of "TheWho" posts for the word "edit" reveals a looong history of going back to scrub weeks, months, and yes, even years later.  Dozens upon dozens of edits.  Hmmm...  A bit disingenuous?  Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Still waiting for your explanation of how 7:29pm occurs a half hour (or 54 minutes, or two weeks or five years, whatever your new story is now) before 3:30pm.  Once you can explain this time warp we can move on.  You really put your foot in your mouth on that one, TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney/Al Gore/Robert Bruce ./Robert Bruces, etc.

[Whooter]

I get 56 minutes

Yesterday, 15:34  Danny responded to the heads up that DJ didn’t have advanced degrees while at Daytop and HLA.
This set Dysfunction Junction on a mission to alter up his past posts.
16:30  Dysfunction Junction edited his posts from 5 years ago to alter the truth and cover his lie. (Just one example)
20:29  Dysfunction Junction completes his new timeline and posts it.
22:10 Whooter exposes Dysfunction Junction  via edit marks.

Why is someone so desperate that they have to lie about their education just to show someone else up?  You were both staff at programs, why not just be honest?

Mitt has been caught a few times up there in Massachusetts himself so I don’t think he will be too hard on you.  We never see eye to eye on anything.   I would suggest trying to get the focus off of yourself, Dysfunction Junction, and that post that you altered.  Try to put the focus on Whooter and maybe people will forget about what you did.  It stinks that they have that dam edit stamp, no getting around that.  Its like leaving behind DNA on some girls clothes, there is no refuting it.  All you can do is change the subject, maybe people could become interested in global warming?

Not sure I agree with you there Al, The ”time stamp” will always be there and will show that Dysfunction Junction  altered a  post from 5 years ago just “after” he was challenged about his educational credentials.  He needs to get rid of the time stamp somehow and address the issue straight on. Not deflect and hope for the best as you suggest.


DJ's altered post

at the bottom of the post it says:

“Last edited by Dysfunction Junction on 30 Jun 2010, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.”

[Whooter]

Should Dysfunction Junction have altered his posts before he started the argument not after?  You betcha!!

In Alaska we clean our guns before hunting season.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

DJ. Seriously. You're at page 25 of a thread that no one is going to read.

Whooter can't help himself. You can. And you're continually replying to what is effectively a badly-written Eliza bot.

Before you make one more reply to any of this faggotry, consider better uses for your time. There's a whole big Fornits Wiki that needs updating, and a shitload of parents who have no idea what they're getting into. If you really need to debunk him to someone dumb enough to listen to this shit, an image has been provided.

[Whooter]

I get 56 minutes

Yesterday, 15:34  Danny responded to the heads up that DJ didn’t have advanced degrees while at Daytop and HLA.
This set Dysfunction Junction on a mission to alter up his past posts.
16:30  Dysfunction Junction edited his posts from 5 years ago to alter the truth and cover his lie. (Just one example)
20:29  Dysfunction Junction completes his new timeline and posts it.
22:10 Whooter exposes Dysfunction Junction  via edit marks.

Why is someone so desperate that they have to lie about their education just to show someone else up?  You were both staff at programs, why not just be honest?

Mitt has been caught a few times up there in Massachusetts himself so I don’t think he will be too hard on you.  We never see eye to eye on anything.   I would suggest trying to get the focus off of yourself, Dysfunction Junction, and that post that you altered.  Try to put the focus on Whooter and maybe people will forget about what you did.  It stinks that they have that dam edit stamp, no getting around that.  Its like leaving behind DNA on some girls clothes, there is no refuting it.  All you can do is change the subject, maybe people could become interested in global warming?

Not sure I agree with you there Al, The ”time stamp” will always be there and will show that Dysfunction Junction  altered a  post from 5 years ago just “after” he was challenged about his educational credentials.  He needs to get rid of the time stamp somehow and address the issue straight on. Not deflect and hope for the best as you suggest.


DJ's altered post

at the bottom of the post it says:

“Last edited by Dysfunction Junction on 30 Jun 2010, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.”

He needs to get rid of that dam edit stamp, I agree.  I am sure that marking dysfunction Junctions posts with an edit stamp against his will violates his rights and constitutional law.  If he had known before hand that everyone would be privy to his edits do you think he would have done that?  I think not.  If this is properly researched I think Dysfunction Junction can petition fornits to have the  edit stamps removed from his post and compensate him for his exposure and embarrassment.

[Whooter]

That’s not how things are done, Al, You democrats are all alike you want to challenge the constitution all the time.  Why that is totally un-American and disrespectful to our founding fathers to try to twist or change the intentions of what was set in stone centuries ago.

I would suggest Dysfunction Junction make a donation to fornits and then out of respect fornits would perform some routine maintenance on the database which inadvertently results in the edits stamps to disappear.  Or maybe he could have an award ceremony for all the fornits admins and present them with some sort of achievement and then suggest upgrading the database to a newer rev. as a mile marker to the occasion.  My family could help set him up with a location.

[Troll Control]

I'll let you in on the joke now, Whooter, since you've embarrassed yourself so thoroughly.  Take a look.

Original post from March 27, 2005:

On 2005-03-27 08:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you know what? Not everyone had a bad experience with DV. You need to take a look at yourself and see why you did.

I admit that there were some things that were a little over the top, but you're talking about a different time, different epidemic and different training.

A TC is not only governed by the founders, but also by law. At the time places like Synanon was founded, there were no governing laws. yes, it was all about brainwashing, brain shocking, or whatever you want to call it, to make a person get off drugs. Ever see the movie " A Clockwork Orange?" Stanley Kubrick had it right. That's what happened back then. There were no laws governing what was supposed to be done.

It's much easier to treat the underlying problem of the epidemic. case in point, when you go into a treatment facility such as the intake facility where you stay for 3 or more weeks, you have detoxed whatever drugs are in your system. DV and other TC's took that a step further. They then treated the underlying problem. Whether it was family problems, peer pressure, etc.

As i stated before, when i was in DV, the main addition was heroin. Older people addicted to heroin for so many years that a TC was there last hope. And it worked.

Today, people are paroled to TC's, people use it as a way to stay out of jail and don't put in the time they need to deal with all the other bullshit that comes with dealing with the problem.

I've seen how DV changed to the times. I've seen how they have to treat the crackhead as opposed to the heroin addict. You can't apply a philosophy of "responsible, Love, & concern or "act as if" to a crackhead who is trying to stay out of jail. Those are a crackhead's manipulation tactics. That's all they know.

So DV and other TC's have had to change their ways of thinking and treatment. And yes, even in terms of terminology, they've had to change.

For example: The DV philosophy, used to be begin "we are" Not I. They changed to back in 86 because of the new wave of abusers coming in, crackheads. What used to be called members are now called residents. Do you see my point, idiot. It's about changing the way you treat the person. You can't treat a crackhead the same way you treat a heroin addict. It doesn't work. Heroin addicts actually have a heart.

Now you want to talk about staff. I recall reading someone saying that the reason old school staff are trying to push out the more educated is because they are afraid. And to a point, that person was correct. They are afraid of seeing DV change in a way that's not about the mission. The mission was and still is solid. But laws change and epidemics change.

Hep C is what DV used to have to deal with heroin addicts. Now they also have to deal AIDS. There are all kinds of laws now that says what you can and can't do with someone who had AIDS.

I'll never forget the first person who was diagnosed with AIDS at DV. His name was Sammy. He became the poster boy ( for lack of a better term) but he changed the way DV thought in terms of treating someone who was ill.

Look, i'm not saying that DV and other TC's are the greatest. You get out what you put in. I did my time old school style and obviously had a better experience than you young bucks did, but take it for what it's worth. Look at this way. People in the social services industry are not in it for the money. They go into it believing that they can make a difference. What they find is that the system is so screwed up that they're just one little insignificant cog on that big wheel of bullshit that is every evolving to more bullshit and they see that after time they can do one of two things, go with the program or get out. That's my advice to you, accept the change, chalk it up to a bad experience and move on. One more thing.

So am i still drinking the Kool-AID? Damn right, because i don't have to deal with the bullshit that you spout about your bad experiences and why you couldn't get with the program. So, are u still smoking crack? and tell me, how long was it before your first relapse?"

Firstly, let me begin by saying that you are awfully presumptuous referring to me as a "young buck" who had a "bad experience" at Daytop.

Let me educate you to the facts: I was a counselor at Daytop, never a resident.  I am classically educated with degrees in Psychology and Sociology and an MBA in progress, so step down off your soapbox and don't talk to me as if I were one of your peers.

Secondly, having worked there, and not viewing the modality through rose-colored glasses, as you seem to, I know for a fact that Daytop is engaged in many illegal, unethical and immoral activities.  This is not my opinion, this is fact.

Thirdly, go tell some of the victims of this place that it's ok what Frank Lanza did to them and that if they "knew him back then," they "would understand."  Tell them they should have understanding about Frank's behavior and that it is ok to be abused, belittled, humiliated and put on "the chair" outside, overnight in winter.  Or that it's ok (or legal)to suffer through full body searches by untrained "staff" in filthy rooms ("Pick up your balls.  Open your ass").  Tell them that it's okay that there's a confessed murderer bunking in the rack next to them because it brings funds to the facility.

Fourthly, if you "spent the best days of (your) life in a treatment center," then you have had no life.

Conclusion:  You are still drinking the Kool-Aid after all these years.

Sad, yes.  True, indeed.

Same post quoted by Guest the same day (Guest's added his/her comments in parentheses in the quote of my post):

Link to identical text in guest post from the same day as my original post:

Firstly, let me begin by saying that you are awfully presumptuous referring to me as a "young buck" who had a "bad experience" at Daytop.

(obviously you had a bad experience whether you worked there or was a resident or you would still be working there. I'm going to assume that you left on your own free will either because of money, seeing things you didn't like, etc.. hence my words, bad experience and just to clarify, my term of "young buck" doesn't refer to your age, but at the time in which you were affiliated with DV. If I'm not mistaken you said you worked with DV in 95. I had been affiliated with DV since '82, which meant to ME that i'm closer to the old school style of the way things were done than you were. If that offended you, then i apologize.)

Let me educate you to the facts: I was a counselor at Daytop, never a resident. I am classically educated with degrees in Psychology and Sociology and an MBA in progress, so step down off your soapbox and don't talk to me as if I were one of your peers.

(Well, i'm proud that you're educated. I'm not on a soap box because i have never experienced DV or any TC as an employee, but hell, they must be doing something right classically educated employees are still there)

Secondly, having worked there, and not viewing the modality through rose-colored glasses, as you seem to,

( of course i'm going to see some things through rose colored glasses, i lived it, at some point couldn't see outside it, it was all i knew at the time and i can't apologize for that),

I know for a fact that Daytop is engaged in many illegal, unethical and immoral activities. This is not my opinion, this is fact.
(and just out of curiosity, what if anything have you done about it? or did you just let injustices keep happening until you bailed?)

Thirdly, go tell some of the victims of this place that it's ok what Frank Lanza did to them and that if they "knew him back then," (never ever did i say what he did was right. That never came out in any of my writing. Maybe you are just too blinded by your hatred of Frank, DV or TC's in general that you need to read between the lines of something that i didn't say)
they "would understand." Tell them they should have understanding about Frank's behavior and that it is ok to be abused, belittled, humiliated and put on "the chair" outside, overnight in winter. Or that it's ok (or legal)to suffer through full body searches by untrained "staff" in filthy rooms ("Pick up your balls. Open your ass"). Tell them that it's okay that there's a confessed murderer bunking in the rack next to them because it brings funds to the facility.

(I personally hated body searches. I didn't agree with them and there were a few times i refused to do them. My alternative was to not be admitted to the program. Look, being subjected to a full body search is/was never okay by someone who didn't know what they were doing. It was a lesson in humility that happened once. When you got there. If you happened to leave (AWOL) and come back, yes, it was done again. For protection of all. You don't see it that way and probably never will. But you know what, the person getting screened has done worse on the streets using drugs, so WTF)

Fourthly, if you "spent the best days of (your) life in a treatment center," then you have had no life.

When i was in DV, it was rare that they accepted anyone who committed a violent crime, who was court-ordered. The problem is that it's the norm now for a criminal to be court-ordered to a TC if they have drug abuse in their history. Whose fault is that, the TC's).

Look as i said before, TC's are not for everyone and definitely not for today's drug users. Everyone who enters a TC seems to be coddled now, even down to the term "hard core drug user" to "substance abuser", what the hell is that all about. and if crackheads and methamp users aren't the worse users, tell me who is?

Tell me something, are you still in social services industry, or did you give it up because you were fighting a losing battle?

Conclusion: You are still drinking the Kool-Aid after all these years.

(your conclusion is based on nothing, so i won't even comment on that further. other than to say you have the right to your opinion as i have the right to mine. You see it from a clinical standpoint and i see it from someone whose lived through it. Yeah, we are going to see it differently)

Sad, yes. True, indeed.

The text in both posts is identical.  A Guest's quote from 2005 is identical to my original post (oops).  I suppose now you're going to say the anonymous guest with no ability to edit posts magically became able to edit posts and also "altered" a post from five years ago to match my "altered" post, lols.  When are you going to learn, Whooter?  I'm a chess player and you're a checker player.

See, Whooter, you are so desperate to "get" me that I easily wound you up like a top, set you off and watched you spin, controlling your actions like I had a joystick in my hand.  Watched as you pulled out several identites and augured yourself into the ground, all while blissfully ignorant that the post was not changed at all.  All I did in my original post was take out a period (which I reinserted today, for integrity's sake) so that the edit stamp would be there to get you drooling with delight thinking you cornered me on something and knowing full well you'd be too lazy to look one page ahead and see my post was quoted contemporaneously by a guest and we all know guest posts can't be edited.

Yeah, I shined you on for a bit, telling you I edited out my name so you would jump on that, poking fun at your "timeline," shifting the focus, etc. simply so you would go into overdrive with your compulsion, just to watch you make a fool out of yourself again.  Please feel free to go back and compare the text of both posts and tell me exactly how mine was "altered." You're too easy, man.  I hope you learned something from this exercise.  You played yourself again.  Keep flailing away.  It's funny.

[edited to add url at top of post - don't want Whooter getting all riled up over the edit stamp ; ) ]

[Troll Control]

DJ. Seriously. You're at page 25 of a thread that no one is going to read.

Whooter can't help himself. You can. And you're continually replying to what is effectively a badly-written Eliza bot.

Before you make one more reply to any of this faggotry, consider better uses for your time. There's a whole big Fornits Wiki that needs updating, and a shitload of parents who have no idea what they're getting into. If you really need to debunk him to someone dumb enough to listen to this shit, an image has been provided.

Understood, Pile.  If I responded to you before it would have spoiled the gag.  I think TheWho/Whooter/Mitt Romney/Robert Bruces/ John McCain/ Sarah Palin/Robert Bruce ./etc. has been debunked more thoroughly now than ever before possible.  Gotta love watching this dumb sucker play himself out so fully though.

[Whooter]

The reason you are upset is because you couldnt edit that post, DJ.

After you finished working at Daytop you said:

Let me educate you to the facts: I was a counselor at Daytop, never a resident. I am classically educated with degrees in Psychology and Sociology and an MBA in progress, so step down off your soapbox and don't talk to me as if I were one of your peers.

[/i]

So you lied to Danny when you told Danny you had an advanced degree when you worked for daytop:

I, on the other hand, was a professional employee, you know, with an advanced college degree and duly licensed to facilitate therapy. I don't have any "guilt" to "cop to," like you do, Danno.

Look DJ, we all know you went back to try to clean up your past.  The edit stamp will never go away and the fact that you went back 45 years to clean everything up to meet todays story (unless you take Mitt Romneys advice).  All the edits to your posts which referenced you education you needed to update.  You posted one that you couldn't update because it wasnt yours and even that shows you lied to Danny.  We got you cold buddy, even you last post sinks you.

wiggle wiggle, squirm.

The other posters were right, its the edit stamp that did you in.  You should have just told the truth from the beginning.  

Just a side thought, if these programs were so bad why did you keep it going as a career?  If you were a professional then you would have been bound by law to turn them in the first day you were employed or maybe there was no abuse going on?  Interesting discussion maybe.



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[Whooter]

Its that dam edit stamp that will not go away.  I tried to tell him.  He changed his education status from a post 5 years ago right in the middle of an argument.  If he had been honest and said : ”Give me a minute I will be right back I have to alter some previous posts” then maybe we would consider giving him his credibility back, "Or I made a mistake 5 years ago about what I said my credentials were let me change that and I will be right back".  But he didnt.

He needs to make that go away, it too damaging.

Here it is again:

“Last edited by Dysfunction Junction on 30 Jun 2010, 20:30, edited 1 time in total.”

Maybe an admin can erase it for him?

In politics we call that a loss of confidence... sad to watch.  Who was that guy in Connecticut who stated he was in the military and then they found out he wasnt.  I told him he needed to get rid of that tape and he didnt listen.  Now they play that dam tape everytime he gives a speech.  The mans a liar and cant shake the dirt off of him.