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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2010, 09:04:21 AM »
Robert always exaggerates and uses loaded language.  The record needs to be set straight on this one.  HLA had residents.  HLA reopened as Ridge Creek School and has residents and inmates from the state prison system in the same facility.  Robert likes to blow things out of proportion.  Only RCS has inmates, Robert.  HLA never did.  This is always what gets me about you extremists here.
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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2010, 09:27:55 AM »
A lot of us use that term because that's how we felt.....like we were inmates in a prison.
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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2010, 09:32:21 AM »
Well we can't all just run around loading language based on our own feelings now can we?  Get real.  Robert attempted to mislead readers by saying there were inmates at HLA when it has been proven that only RCS, formerly HLA but no longer, takes inmates from the state prison system into the same facility where it takes private pay residents/students for its program.  HLA never did that.
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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2010, 09:33:56 AM »
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Well we can't all just run around loading language based on our own feelings now can we?  Get real.  Robert attempted to mislead readers by saying there were inmates at HLA when it has been proven that only RCS, formerly HLA but no longer, takes inmates from the state prison system into the same facility where it takes private pay residents/students for its program.  HLA never did that.

Fine, then Aspen has to stop telling people they provide therapy of any kind.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2010, 10:03:31 AM »
You miss the distinction here.  Lack of nuanced thought I guess.  But for something to be therapeutic it does not necessarily mean it has to be therapy.  The counselors could take the kids outside in the evening and watch the sunset while they play spades or trade their commisary items and this could be therapeutic.  Therefore they call it a "therapeutic boarding school" and not "therapy", Anne.  Anything therapeutic counts.  That's not misleading anyone.  If the night watchman feels like it's therapeutic to let the kids wrestle, horseplay or have a fght club like we had (those were fun times) then it would be considered a "therapeutic boarding school" and rightfully so as long as there's some school or self study like we had too, of course.  If the LifeSteps are done then that is therapeutic, too.  And there's always groups. See Anne, there are lots of things you're missing in this analysis.
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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2010, 10:14:39 AM »
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You miss the distinction here.  Lack of nuanced thought I guess.  But for something to be therapeutic it does not necessarily mean it has to be therapy.  The counselors could take the kids outside in the evening and watch the sunset while they play spades or trade their commisary items and this could be therapeutic.  Therefore they call it a "therapeutic boarding school" and not "therapy", Anne.  Anything therapeutic counts.  That's not misleading anyone.  If the night watchman feels like it's therapeutic to let the kids wrestle, horseplay or have a fght club like we had (those were fun times) then it would be considered a "therapeutic boarding school" and rightfully so as long as there's some school or self study like we had too, of course.

I'm not missing anything.  Aspen and other programs advertise that they provide therapy.  They tout credentials that people don't actually have and intentionally mislead parents into believing that their kids are receiving true psychological counseling and therapy when what they're really getting is LGAT pseudo-psychobabble.  They're today's snakeoil salesmen.

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If the LifeSteps are done then that is therapeutic, too.
 

No, it's not.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2010, 10:29:18 AM »
Anything tht is deemed therapeutic counts, Anne.  I'm sorry but those are the rules we are playing under.  Some people don't like the rules and that's fine but they should start voting or try to change the laws.  The schools are clean and we all know that.  They operate under the rules.  At my program when we were defiant and wouldn't do what the counselors told us to then they would give us what was called work assignments.  Basically you had to take care of the grounds, mow, pick weeds, paint the director's fence and house, clean his bathroom, wash his car and boat, some light electrical and plumbing (nothing with a torch, of course lol) and any other facility type work that needed doing.  By doing this work, our counselors taught us we were buying into the program.  By doing this facility labor we were getting a kind of sweat equity in the facility.  We could be proud that we took care of our own property and didn't have to go out and hire maintenence workers.  We did it.  We bought into the program by doing this labor and became less defiant and more open to the teachings of the program so we could get back on trak and become successful.  Sometimes if there weren't any facility jobs that needed doing we would just move a big rockpile back and forth along this little runway.  Move pile to one end, move pile to other end and repeat.  The rocks were symbolic of our hard head that we had to carry around with us until we decided to let the staff start to change us for the better.
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2010, 10:34:11 AM »
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Anything tht is deemed therapeutic counts, Anne.  I'm sorry but those are the rules we are playing under.  Some people don't like the rules and that's fine but they should start voting or try to change the laws.  The schools are clean and we all know that.  They operate under the rules.  At my program when we were defiant and wouldn't do what the counselors told us to then they would give us what was called work assignments.  Basically you had to take care of the grounds, mow, pick weeds, paint the director's fence and house, clean his bathroom, wash his car and boat, some light electrical and plumbing (nothing with a torch, of course lol) and any other facility type work that needed doing.  By doing this work, our counselors taught us we were buying into the program.  By doing this facility labor we were getting a kind of sweat equity in the facility.  We could be proud that we took care of our own property and didn't have to go out and hire maintenence workers.  We did it.  We bought into the program by doing this labor and became less defiant and more open to the teachings of the program so we could get back on trak and become successful.  Sometimes if there weren't any facility jobs that needed doing we would just move a big rockpile back and forth along this little runway.  Move pile to one end, move pile to other end and repeat.  The rocks were symbolic of our hard head that we had to carry around with us until we decided to let the staff start to change us for the better.

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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2010, 10:39:50 AM »
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Anything tht is deemed therapeutic counts, Anne.  I'm sorry but those are the rules we are playing under.  Some people don't like the rules and that's fine but they should start voting or try to change the laws.  The schools are clean and we all know that.  They operate under the rules.  At my program when we were defiant and wouldn't do what the counselors told us to then they would give us what was called work assignments.  Basically you had to take care of the grounds, mow, pick weeds, paint the director's fence and house, clean his bathroom, wash his car and boat, some light electrical and plumbing (nothing with a torch, of course lol) and any other facility type work that needed doing. By doing this work, our counselors taught us we were buying into the program. (yeah, it's called indoctrination)  By doing this facility labor we were getting a kind of sweat equity in the facility.  We could be proud that we took care of our own property and didn't have to go out and hire maintenence workers.  We did it.  We bought into the program by doing this labor and became less defiant and more open to the teachings of the program so we could get back on trak and become successful.  Sometimes if there weren't any facility jobs that needed doing we would just move a big rockpile back and forth along this little runway.  Move pile to one end, move pile to other end and repeat.  The rocks were symbolic of our hard head that we had to carry around with us until we decided to let the staff start to change us for the better.


Satire, right?  This can't be serious.
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2010, 10:42:15 AM »
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Satire, right?  This can't be serious.

This seemed pretty obvious last night.. i forget which post it was that clued me in, but yeah...
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2010, 10:46:03 AM »
That's what they called it "Buying into the program".  It makes sense because if you don't buy into it, it can't help you either.  I think that's just common sense.  Like in the LifeSteps when they have you dress up as the opposite sex and role play as a woman or whatever you have to open up yourself and go for it or it won't work for you.  I had to wear like a little lace nightie that looked like a stripper costume and I had to dance around in front of all the staff as a symbol of how disrespectful I was of women, especially my mother who I did terrible things to and said terrible things about, so I could learn how it felt to be treated that way.  I learned from it but only because I bought into it completely like my parents wanted.
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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2010, 10:46:25 AM »
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Satire, right?  This can't be serious.

This seemed pretty obvious last night.. i forget which post it was that clued me in, but yeah...

It gets weird when you can't tell the parodies from the real programmies, i.e. Poe's law.
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2010, 11:25:24 AM »
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Whooter..Where in the world has the pope declared and the Catholics declared that they have accepted homosexuality? That is incorrect info..sorry Whooter try again!

The pope was born in like 1920.  If they told him what was going on he would have a heart attack.

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More and more accepted by this world eh? Is that why when I tried to turn to survivors for support - people that were friends of mine for years about the harsh break-up from myself and my partner I was treated just so nicely here? Is that why I had a str8 friend think I was coming onto her when I called her babe b/c she felt sick? Wow Wake up Whooter....WOW is that why kids are committing suicide because us homosexuals are so well and widely accepted. Please quit talking about what you do not know.
I am an adult  bi-sexual and still not accepted and loved by many b/c I am gay. I speak from experience , not speculation.
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I didnt say that homosexuals are completely accepted in society.  I am saying (from my perspective) that their acceptance has come a long way since the 1960's and in another generation they will be almost completely integrated and accepted.  Back in the 1960's the word Gay was a slur.  They were not accepted at all and were referred to as fruit cakes or as a  birth defect of some type.  They would marry woman and have kids because that was what was accepted of men in those days.  They started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.

People are still curious about homosexuals today and what makes them tick.  But they are much more open now and accepted in the business world and society in general.  Straight kids and homosexuals commit suicide, maybe not at the same rate.  Parents are more accepting of gay children than 50 years ago but they would still prefer a straight child over a gay one I would guess and that is why the kids are not open to telling their parents that they are gay and feel much more humiliated if they are outed on the internet like what happened recently.  If this were a straight kid he may still feel humiliated knowing his family may be seeing it but it would pale in comparison to a child who was having a homosexual relationship.

I didnt see you being treated badly because of your sexual orientation here on fornits.  People are treated badly here in general.  I am not gay but I am treated pretty bad at times.



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