A Survivor story without the drama

[Shadyacres]

An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

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Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.

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This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them.  All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary.  A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.
Whooter, just so you know in the future, when you quote someone as an example, you are saying what they originally said.  So you did say that.  If it meant that much to you then you should have left the name on it.
Do you see what I mean?

[Whooter]

An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.

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Whooter, just so you know in the future, when you quote someone as an example, you are saying what they originally said.  So you did say that.  If it meant that much to you then you should have left the name on it.
Do you see what I mean?

I posted a link to the original source, Shady (I am sure you saw it), and then when you misquoted me I pointed out the misquote and gave you the option to revise your post and you still would not change it.  Then finally you had to be a smart ass and change the post to:

all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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[Ursus]

Cross-post from the original in the 'Gonzales; Torture Overseas Compared to, Cedars Academy/Aspen' thread:

...But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it.

Wow. So... somehow the theatrics some kid pulled on himself swallowing a piece of plastic are considered WORSE than a program staff using a kid's insulin needles behind her back, never bothering to tell her, and hence infecting her with HepC for life?

I don't know where to even start with this. WTF was Neil thinking when he was helping himself to the kid's medication? And knowingly exposing her to an infectious and incurable disease? How friggin' irresponsible and insane is that?

 :beat:

[Whooter]

Cross-post from the original in the 'Gonzales; Torture Overseas Compared to, Cedars Academy/Aspen' thread:

...But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it.

Wow. So... somehow the theatrics some kid pulled on himself swallowing a piece of plastic are considered WORSE than a program staff using a kid's insulin needles behind her back, never bothering to tell her, and hence infecting her with HepC for life?

I don't know where to even start with this. WTF was Neil thinking when he was helping himself to the kid's medication? And knowingly exposing her to an infectious and incurable disease? How friggin' irresponsible and insane is that?

 :beat:

The guy should had been fired on the spot!!  



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[Shadyacres]

An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.
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End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

[Whooter]

End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.



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[Shadyacres]

End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.
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Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.

[Ursus]

End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.

Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.

Yep, my take on billS' account is pretty much in the same vein as Shady's, Whooter. These programs teach one to feel tremendous disdain and condescension, perhaps even a strange breed of "pity," towards those not marching in line with the program "principles." Most telling is the fact that this guy spent four years in these programs. I imagine it might take a l-o-n-g time for the koolaid to wear off in his case.

[Anne Bonney]

End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.

Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.

Yup.....adn the only reason Whooter thinks that particular post is "credible" is because it basically agrees with his own opinion......that most of the kids were 'out of control' or 'spoiled brats' and 'needed to be there'.