I don't find this very funny. Saying people sexually abuse their own children because you lost an argument is just wrong, Whooter. Why woud you do something like that??
I was especially shocked at how you throw around the term "child molester" when you get frustrated that you can't win an argument in a legitimate fashion. Very nasty stuff there, Whooter. Very nasty.
Link to where TheWho admits he is john ReubenJohn must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.
Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.
Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths. At least they are kept safe here. Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans. You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.
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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral.John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either? Why should anyone trust you? Please explain yourself.
I would really like to hear this answer.
It says it right here. And many other places.
I did read that one. But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?
Max went to the funeral, no need to worry. They are just trying to make programs look bad. Keep in mind you are on fornits.
How would Whooter know this? Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.
Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked,
accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser.JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
Thank you for updating us. Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight". The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that. He may not even have a drivers license. You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts. As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son. Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s.How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.
Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors. Surviving what? A cush stay at RTC? Its an insult to people who actually survived something.
Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
What is ASR?
Academy at Swift River
Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
Did your daughter graduate?
Yes
Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me. I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits. I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why. Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads. ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about. She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.
Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.
Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences. But I would say the model the school employs. If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc. I would not consider these at all for anyone. These schools are a good candidate for regulation.
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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child. Keep it classy, Whooter.
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy. There are thousands of them. I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC. The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually. At least mine has some credibility.
As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.
Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” and telling people not to tell him he’s lying. Well, I guess that makes it believable then? Fail, Whooter. Fail.
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.
Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.
And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.
Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!
And a bit later in the thread
Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises.the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious.the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.
A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.
I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.
John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.
So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious. "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!" Ha,Ha,Ha Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.
And he goes on further to suggest
99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” You can’t make it up, folks.
It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.
Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.
99% of those accounts are fictitious. We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.
Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program.Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
And he admits that programs aren’t scientifically proven, despite his logged protestations to the contrary.
