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More Muslim Media Bullshit
Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote ---Of course not! Why would you assume that I said anything close to that? It's offering an explanation as to the differences between the countries.
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I wasn't assuming - I was asking. I have heard this given as an excuse before - that they can't be held to common standards of civilized decency because of their third world totalitarian existence.
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Just asking this question........
--- Quote ---Dose this make the brutality and murder commanded by Islam excusable?
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implies that that's what I was saying.
You see it as an "excuse", I see it as an explanation. They haven't been exposed to anything other than what their theocratic leaders have allowed them to be. Facts, science and information in general is dangerous to those in power, so they control it.
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---What is the standard of living for the 'average joe' in those countries?
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--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---It varies, but I get your point. My point is - why is that? Could the nature of Islam have something to do with it?
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No, I think it's due to a couple of things. Greed and the fact that they're a theocracy and therefore access to information is strictly controlled, lest the population start to learn anything that contradicts what their leaders are telling them. Hell, that's part of what religion is for....to keep control of the peasants. That's the danger of a theocracy.....you're under the rule of someone's interpretation of a religion.
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---And why don't Christians and Jews have Totalitarian Theocracies?
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That's an odd way to phrase that but.....because the FF were smart enough to realize that governing according to ANY religion is a very bad and dangerous idea. America isn't a theocracy at all (thank FSM!), which is why we don't have to put up with living under ANY type of religious law.
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---Could it have anything to do with the nature of Judaic/Christian charity, heritage, justice, and faith?
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No, I think it's because we're not ruled by religion. I really don't know how else to communicate that to you. And I do think you have a blind spot when it comes to the JudeoChristian faith/religion. You can see no wrong in it at all. I asked you a while back to explain to me why you thought the Bible was an historical text and what I got from you was a wall of text quoting the Bible, that basically said "because God said so, He said it right there in the Bible".
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---I don't listen to Rush - don't know who Christine is - don't hear much from Sarah ( I assume you mean Palin) and Glen I do sometimes watch but have not heard him say much at all about Islam.
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You quote sites like Townhall, World Net Daily, The American Thinker - all fairly extreme conservative (socially at least) sites along with religious sites. That's not getting your information from what I would consider well rounded or objective sources.
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---I am no expert on Islam but I do know about the Islaimc principal of (dam - how do you spell it?) Abrogation?? Anyway - it being that when passages contradict the later one supersedes the earlier one. In the Quran, all (every single one) the verses speaking of peace towards others are abrogated by later passages demanding their murder. The Islamic clerics who speak of their "peaceful" faith know this and are practicing Taquiea (again - I can't spell it) but it is the accepted practice of lying to the infidels to protect and advance Islam.
The Muslim is encouraged to lie to advance their faith. The Christian and Jew are forbidden to do so. This also might have something to do with the different kinds of society each has developed.
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Could you please cite some unbiased sources for that? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'd like to see for myself what you're basing that on.
BuzzKill:
Pirate lady writes:
--- Quote ---That's the danger of a theocracy.....you're under the rule of someone's interpretation of a religion.
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Which is why I encourage people to read it for themselves; and is at least partly why Jesus was so hard on the Pharisees and Sadducees.
--- Quote --- I asked you a while back to explain to me why you thought the Bible was an historical text and what I got from you was a wall of text quoting the Bible, that basically said "because God said so, He said it right there in the Bible".
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If it isn't a lot of trouble, I'd like to review that post. I may have sent a lot of text but I doubt all I had to say was b/c God says so. What is in the Bible is a lot of stuff - including a great deal of history - which is co-oberated by other ancient historians and more and more often by modern archeology. But I probably would support my argument with a Jewish or Christian source as it happens to be Jewish and Christian sources that are interested enough in the topic to do the research and write the papers.
--- Quote ---You quote sites like Townhall, World Net Daily, The American Thinker - all fairly extreme conservative (socially at least) sites along with religious sites. That's not getting your information from what I would consider well rounded or objective sources.
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Yeah, I'm guilty of using conservative sources. Keep in mind, your generally asking me why I think as I do - and I am generally trying to show you - so I'm going to use what ever source I can find (with out to much trouble) that explains it - and it is going to be from a conservative source. What well rounded and objective source would you have me use? Frankly - I don't know of one that is free of bias one way or another. I will say again, you are doing yourself a diss-service to ignore information and opinions solely b/c they come from a conservative writer. It's not garbage just b/c you disagree - and it is at least a little bit possible you might be mistaken.
I'll just suggest this - if you really want to know about a topic - Google it and read what ever source you fine acceptably well rounded; if you want my opinion I'll give it - but it will be probably be pretty conservative.
Which brings me to this:
--- Quote ---Could you please cite some unbiased sources for that? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'd like to see for myself what you're basing that on.
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Islam+Abrogation
Islam+Taqiyya
Google the terms together and read (or view) what ever sources you find acceptable.
BuzzKill:
First I want to say I realize some of my recent posts do read as if I'm maybe being a smart ass - this is not my intent or the tone I'd use if actually "talking".
Now - a question relating to the thread topic:
Should the person who said the following be charged with a hate crime?
--- Quote ---"We need public awareness of the danger posed by Islam. Education needs to be state of the art, eg biology. History. Students need to be taught facts. There was a Turkish siege [in 1683], and they were badly beaten. That must remain [in history books]. No tolerance for the glorification of violence! And that means we have to get rid of most of the Quran. We must realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Trojan horse. Turkey is part of that...Sharia is an absolute no-no. We d not want any gender apartheid, no ghettos, no social and cultural discrimination, no polygamy, no theocracy, no hate..."
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---First I want to say I realize some of my recent posts do read as if I'm maybe being a smart ass - this is not my intent or the tone I'd use if actually "talking".
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Same here. :peace:
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---Now - a question relating to the thread topic:
Should the person who said the following be charged with a hate crime?
"We need public awareness of the danger posed by Islam. Education needs to be state of the art, eg biology. History. Students need to be taught facts. There was a Turkish siege [in 1683], and they were badly beaten. That must remain [in history books]. No tolerance for the glorification of violence! And that means we have to get rid of most of the Quran. We must realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Trojan horse. Turkey is part of that...Sharia is an absolute no-no. We d not want any gender apartheid, no ghettos, no social and cultural discrimination, no polygamy, no theocracy, no hate..."
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I'll tackle the statement later (source please?), but short answer.....no. I think the hate crime laws are wrong period.
Anne Bonney:
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