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Offline Froderik

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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 11:32:55 AM »
Exactly; subtle. It is the subtle techniques that should be addressed because they are the ones that are more difficult to isolate in the mind and pin down for being what they are. I will begin by suggesting we all sit down and sip a little tea with Chairman Mao; in other words, we should attempt to explore the subject of thought reform in a historical context.
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2010, 03:44:32 PM »
I would like to submit some pertinent info to this topic starting with a 1974 senate report on behavior modification with relation to troubled teen programs. (I originally found this in another conversation on fornits: 1974 U.S. Senate report on Behavior Modification (The Seed) viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31751 )

I will quote part of the report that emphasizes the evolution of these practices in behavior modification in programs.

“Other forms of behavior modification techniques employ intensive “encounter sessions” in which individuals are required to participate in group therapy discussions where intensive pressure is often placed on the individuals to accept the attitudes of the group. More intensive forms of encounter groups begin first by subjecting the individual to isolation and humiliation in a conscious effort to break down his psychological defenses. Once the individual is submissive, his personality can begin to be reformed around attitudes determined by the program director to be acceptable. Similar to the highly refined “brainwashing” techniques employed by the North Koreans in the early nineteen fifties, the method is used in the treatment of drug abusers. In an article supporting this type of brainwashing as a behavior modification technique published in 1962, Professor Edgar Schein suggested that:

“ In order to produce marked change in behavior and/ or attitude, it is necessary to weaken, undermine or remove the supports of the old pattern of behavior and the old attitudes. Because most of these supports are the face to face confirmation of present behavior and attitudes which are provided by those with whom close emotional ties exist, it is often necessary to break those emotional ties. This can be done either by removing the individual physically and preventing any communication with those whom he cares about, or by proving to him that those whom he respects are not worthy of it and, indeed, should e actively mistrusted.” “ --Quoted from : Edgar Schein. “Man Against Man: Brainwashing,” Corrective Psychiatry and Journal of Social Thearapy, Vol. 8, No. 2 (1962).--

Ref: -- Individual Rights and the Federal Role in Behavior modification. U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington : 1974  http://thestraights.net/images/seed-Ervin-brainwash.htm  full text  http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED103726.pdf --.


If I can make a few connections from the study, sensitivity training (or human relations training) is the core influence behind the ‘encounter sessions’. And the quote from Schein describes the ‘Unfreezing’ phase of Kurt Lewins change process. Compare Scheins quote to what he outlines (from the original post) in his 1962 NTL article on influence in human relations training, and more description from Lewin on Unfreezing.


 “Unfreezing. This was taken directly from Kurt Lewin’s change theory. It describes the process of disconfirming a person’s former belief system. ‘Motivation for change must be generated before change can occur. One must be helped to re-examine many cherished assumptions about oneself and one’s relations to others’ (op. cit.). Part of the process of the group, then, had to address this. Trainers sought to create an environment in which values and beliefs could be challenged.
http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-lewin.htm

The first stage he called "unfreezing". It involved overcoming inertia and dismantling the existing "mind set". Defense mechanisms have to be bypassed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Lewin

For ‘Unfreezing’ to occur Lewin describes “the ‘catharsis’ which seems to be necessary before prejudices can be removed. To break open the shell of complacency and self righteousness it is sometimes necessary to bring about deliberately an emotional stir-up.”  And “Sometimes the value system of this face to face group conflicts with the values of the larger cultural setting and it is necessary to separate the group from the larger setting….. The effectiveness of camps or workshops in changing ideology or conduct depends in part on the possibility of creating such “cultural islands” during change. The stronger the accepted subculture of the workshop and the more isolated it is the more it will minimize that type of resistance to change which is based on the relation between the individual and the standards of the larger group.”



Anyways, I thought this provided more clarity on this topic.

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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2011, 05:20:05 PM »
I just completed Registered Nurse Schools and had to work on patients that are troubled teens. I believe that some teens are so far gone where they don't listen to their parents or authorities. I think group therapy can have a positive effect on these kids but if therapy, parents, and authorities don't help these kids then possibly behavior modification and/or using behavior modifying drugs may be the right path to go.
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2011, 05:54:07 PM »
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I just completed Registered Nurse Schools and had to work on patients that are troubled teens. I believe that some teens are so far gone where they don't listen to their parents or authorities. I think group therapy can have a positive effect on these kids but if therapy, parents, and authorities don't help these kids then possibly behavior modification and/or using behavior modifying drugs may be the right path to go.
:on phone: Hey, a kiddie-sized electric chair might be so much more efficient!
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2011, 07:55:30 PM »
Can you describe the work you had to do, Gandolflundgren?
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2011, 08:45:33 PM »
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2011, 10:00:25 PM »
Ask anybody here who "conned" their way through a program. Behaviour modification at the most will only last until the subject is free to go home.You sit in group,you learn the right words to say,(not believing a word of it),and tell them what they want to hear, even if it's not true.In fact it will only make things worse. All it will do is make you miss the things you love even more.And in the end will only make you more difiant. Parents should not expect some "snake oil" cure to clean up the mess they made.
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2011, 11:05:20 AM »
Not only doesn't it work, it's wrong!

It violates a kid's human rights, and the trust a kid has for their parents!
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2011, 11:20:03 AM »
Judge Joe Brown used behavior modification techniques to groom his victims so he could fondle their penises without them fighting back.  If they did fight back his brother Che Gookin would hold them down while JJB molested them and then they would switch.  He admitted it and seemed proud of it too.  Now he's a moderator on a site for abused kids.  Probably busy grooming all the newbies here so he can meet up and fondle their penises too.


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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2011, 12:37:05 PM »
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Judge Joe Brown used behavior modification techniques to groom his victims so he could fondle their penises without them fighting back.  If they did fight back his brother Che Gookin would hold them down while JJB molested them and then they would switch.  He admitted it and seemed proud of it too.  Now he's a moderator on a site for abused kids.  Probably busy grooming all the newbies here so he can meet up and fondle their penises too.


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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2011, 02:42:00 PM »
Ursus,please tell me how you uploaded such a larg picture.
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2011, 06:34:38 PM »
it was an [img] link, not an upload..

(I could tell by clicking 'quote' and viewing the source)
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2011, 07:12:49 PM »
Quote from: "none-ya"
Ask anybody here who "conned" their way through a program. Behaviour modification at the most will only last until the subject is free to go home.You sit in group,you learn the right words to say,(not believing a word of it),and tell them what they want to hear, even if it's not true.In fact it will only make things worse. All it will do is make you miss the things you love even more.And in the end will only make you more difiant. Parents should not expect some "snake oil" cure to clean up the mess they made.


This is true for some folks but others will internalize and believe in it 100 percent. They get brainwashed and for some people it can last a lifetime. There are some straightlings out there who still sing the praises of the program 25 - 30 years later. They believe that they deserved every bit of abuse they endured because they were druggie scum and straight saved them from themselves. They still believe that even now!!! In light of everything that has come out concerning the abuses perpetrated there! To this very day they say it "saved their lives". Keep in mind that some of those folks were guilty of nothing more than smoking pot with their freinds before landing at Straight. But after a year or two of thought reform at Straight they were convinced that they were a drug addict and would have surely died if not for Straight saving them. For some folks the "washing" lasts forever.
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Re: Training, Therapy or Thought Reform in the TTI?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2011, 07:40:40 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
it was an [img] link, not an upload..

(I could tell by clicking 'quote' and viewing the source)


Still not sure how to do it
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