Abuse in our Public Schools Continues

[Whooter]

I cant believe this stuff goes undetected for that long with so many kids.

Link to Article

An El Paso, Texas, high school dance teacher was jailed without bond Thursday on charges of sexual exploitation of minors and possessing child pornography, allegedly including 200 videotapes of himself having sex with as many as 70 children, some of whom were elementary school age.

Federal agents testified that they found the videos in the home of 34-year-old Marco Alferez. The agents said the videos showed Alferez having sex with children as young as elementary school age, the El Paso Times reported.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Gilbert Campa testified he found 12 VHS tapes, each about four to six hours long, and 107 8-mm tapes of Alferez having sex with children. Campa said ICE agents have been able to identify 65 to 70 victims in the homemade videos, and it appeared that Alferez tried hide the camera during the sexual acts.

Officials said that in one video Alferez is seen turning on the video camera, covering it with a shirt and then leaving the room, shortly before he returned to the room with a young girl to have sex with her.

Campa also testified Alferez admitted downloading child pornography, as well as making the videos of himself with children. Alferez appeared upset, Campa said, and made statements that "his life was over," the El Paso times reported.

Agents also testified that Alferez admitted being sexually abused as a child and expressed relief at his arrest.

David Kimmelman, Alferez's attorney, did not immediately return a phone message Thursday to the Associated Press. Alferez has not yet entered a plea.

He began teaching at El Paso Irvin High School in 2008. School officials said Alferez has been placed on paid administrative leave.



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[Anne Bonney]

That may be true, but public schools aren't supposed give therapy to kids "troubled" kids.  Programs are.

[Whooter]

That may be true, but public schools aren't supposed give therapy to kids "troubled" kids.  Programs are.

Good point, I guess, but he was a dance instructor, I dont think he was pretending to provide therapy, although it doesn't say specifically how he got these kids over to his house.  I cant believe the parents let their kids go over to this guys house.



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[Anne Bonney]

That may be true, but public schools aren't supposed give therapy to kids "troubled" kids.  Programs are.

Good point, I guess, but he was a dance instructor, I dont think he was pretending to provide therapy, although it doesn't say specifically how he got these kids over to his house.  I cant believe the parents let their kids go over to this guys house.

But you keep trying to equate public schools with the TTI and it's just not so.  They're very different.

[Whooter]

That may be true, but public schools aren't supposed give therapy to kids "troubled" kids.  Programs are.

Good point, I guess, but he was a dance instructor, I dont think he was pretending to provide therapy, although it doesn't say specifically how he got these kids over to his house.  I cant believe the parents let their kids go over to this guys house.

But you keep trying to equate public schools with the TTI and it's just not so.  They're very different.

Of course they are different.  I was just posting an article about abuse in our public school system.  I think it can make us think that regulation may not be the answer to preventing abuse in the private and public sector.



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[Anne Bonney]

That may be true, but public schools aren't supposed give therapy to kids "troubled" kids.  Programs are.

Good point, I guess, but he was a dance instructor, I dont think he was pretending to provide therapy, although it doesn't say specifically how he got these kids over to his house.  I cant believe the parents let their kids go over to this guys house.

But you keep trying to equate public schools with the TTI and it's just not so.  They're very different.

Of course they are different.  I was just posting an article about abuse in our public school system.  I think it can make us think that regulation may not be the answer to preventing abuse in the private and public sector.

Yeah they're different but every time someone posts something about abuse in the TTI, your response is "it happens in regular schools too".  Like I've said before, you're great at spin/marketing which is what you're doing here.

[Whooter]

Yeah they're different but every time someone posts something about abuse in the TTI, your response is "it happens in regular schools too".  Like I've said before, you're great at spin/marketing which is what you're doing here.

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

See you get this all twisted around in your head and you make false accusations.  Go read it again and point out where I am marketing or spinning.



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[Anne Bonney]

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

You sure do make a habit of posting that abuses happen in places other than programs whenever someone posts that they were abused in a program.

See you get this all twisted around in your head and you make false accusations.  Go read it again and point out where I am marketing or spinning.

I can't because you'd never come out and openly admit it.

[Whooter]

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

You sure do make a habit of posting that abuses happen in places other than programs whenever someone posts that they were abused in a program.

So that bothers you?  There are many articles posted here of kids being abused in churches, at home, in programs, church camps, juvy, prison etc.  Why would reports of Public schools bother you?

I am sorry this article bothered you so much.  But it does show that your constant accusations of spin and marketing are mostly in your head,  I went back over this thread and didnt see even a hint of any of that.



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[Anne Bonney]

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

You sure do make a habit of posting that abuses happen in places other than programs whenever someone posts that they were abused in a program.

So that bothers you?  There are many articles posted here of kids being abused in churches, at home, in programs, church camps, juvy, prison etc.  Why would reports of Public schools bother you?

Because the two aren't comparable.

[Whooter]

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

You sure do make a habit of posting that abuses happen in places other than programs whenever someone posts that they were abused in a program.

So that bothers you?  There are many articles posted here of kids being abused in churches, at home, in programs, church camps, juvy, prison etc.  Why would reports of Public schools bother you?

Because the two aren't comparable.

In your opinion.



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[Anne Bonney]

All this spin/marketing must be in your head, Anne, can you point out where I was doing this?  Look at the op again.  I posted a story about abuse in the Public school system.  I never said it happens or doesn't happen in programs.  I made no reference to programs until you brought it up.

You sure do make a habit of posting that abuses happen in places other than programs whenever someone posts that they were abused in a program.

So that bothers you?  There are many articles posted here of kids being abused in churches, at home, in programs, church camps, juvy, prison etc.  Why would reports of Public schools bother you?

Because the two aren't comparable.

In your opinion.

As is yours about them being comparable.