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What illegal drugs would you legalize?
psy:
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--- Quote from: "Maximilian" --- Why is an adult responsible for their own actions, but a teenager is not?
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Because they're children with still developing and growing brains.
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I disagree. I think they both are. If we're going to advocate giving kids rights to refuse treatment we have to hold them accountable for their actions. Kids are told from a very young age that stealing is wrong. If they steal to support a habit, imprison them for the theft.
psy:
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If you can't see the difference between an adult being responsible for their own actions and a child being forced into a "rehab", I can't help you.
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But Anne, I never asked for your help, nor do I need it. Why is an adult responsible for their own actions, but a teenager is not? I am willing to take responsibility for my own role in why I ended up in a program, and the choices I made that led to that eventuality. I was not an innocent victim, or a child of ignorant and naive parents with more money than sense, duped by the evil program OZ into enrolling me for no reason at all.
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You may have been an unruly monster but lots of other kids aren't. There is no due process or proper diagnosis.
Maximilian:
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No. I don't know of anyone who isn't interested in cocaine that's going to all of a sudden become interested because it's cheaper. It might mean that we'd see an initial jump in people who already have an interest in it using, but I doubt (just my opinion, I know - but I think there is actual research that supports it) that it would create many actual 'new users'.
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I think it will depend on whether or not they can market it, like they do alcohol. I think it's common sense that once the fear factor of getting arrested is removed, that people will use it more often than they do now. If it was available at the liquor store on the corner, it might be hard to resist, at least for some people.
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So, should we go back to Prohibition days?
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No. Prohibition isn't the answer to addiction, take a look at Mexico right now. It causes many more problems than it solves. One of which is people letting their friends die of overdose, because they are too afraid of calling an ambulance. Addiction is a health and psychological issue, police shouldn't be dealing with it, in my opinion.
--- Quote ---Depends on your definition of "addict". Mine is someone who is physically addicted to a substance.....that they experience physical withdrawal symptoms - higher heart rate/blood pressure and then, conversely, extreme low blood pressure, cold sweats, diarrhea, vomiting etc. - when denied the substance.
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When they are cutting up a line praying they won't have to use, wishing they could just stop, right before they do another line. When you use drugs, and you wish you weren't, that's addiction.
--- Quote ---Because it's been so ingrained into society now that the 12 step method is virtually the only way (just as exorcism was viewed as), there's very little interest in finding/funding something new.
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I'm sure there are teams of medical researchers working on the addiction cure pill as we speak. If they came up with it, think of how much money could be made off it. I was given a prescription drug that was supposed to curb my drug appetite, it didn't work. I think eventually they will be able to find the reason some people are addicts and others are not, and perhaps "correct" the issue and turn addicts into normal, responsible, substance users like most people are.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Maximilian" ---I think it will depend on whether or not they can market it, like they do alcohol. I think it's common sense that once the fear factor of getting arrested is removed, that people will use it more often than they do now. If it was available at the liquor store on the corner, it might be hard to resist, at least for some people.
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And yet drunks who quit drinking manage to avoid alcohol, even though it's everywhere. Just because some people have little self control doesn't mean we have to restrict the rights of everybody else to protect those few idiots from themselves.
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--- Quote ---So, should we go back to Prohibition days?
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No. Prohibition isn't the answer to addiction, take a look at Mexico right now. It causes many more problems than it solves. One of which is people letting their friends die of overdose, because they are too afraid of calling an ambulance. Addiction is a health and psychological issue, police shouldn't be dealing with it, in my opinion.
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So you wouldn't favor forced treatment?
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--- Quote ---Depends on your definition of "addict". Mine is someone who is physically addicted to a substance.....that they experience physical withdrawal symptoms - higher heart rate/blood pressure and then, conversely, extreme low blood pressure, cold sweats, diarrhea, vomiting etc. - when denied the substance.
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When they are cutting up a line praying they won't have to use, wishing they could just stop, right before they do another line. When you use drugs, and you wish you weren't, that's addiction.
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No. That's a failure to realize the choices you have, and a failure to take the necessary steps to end the bad habit.
Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Depends on your definition of "addict". Mine is someone who is physically addicted to a substance.....that they experience physical withdrawal symptoms - higher heart rate/blood pressure and then, conversely, extreme low blood pressure, cold sweats, diarrhea, vomiting etc. - when denied the substance.
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Right, but even then, people can still choose whether they want to commit crimes, or whether they want to take the steps to quit.
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Totally agreed. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.
--- Quote ---There are drugs that can help with withdrawals and people who have been as you describe have put their lives back together.
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Yup, suboxone has done wonders for many. Ibogaine (although not yet legal in the U.S. I believe) has as well.
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