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What illegal drugs would you legalize?
Maximilian:
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--- Quote from: "Maximilian" ---This is why nobody will ever come to you for help losing weight. Or why an alcoholic or addict would never go to Psy for help. You are free to your opinions, but take a look around at where people go to get help and you might learn something.
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Just because I don't believe alcoholism or addiction is a disease doesn't mean I wouldn't help somebody i cared about to deal with the temptation from their bad habits in any available way. That being said, i'm not going to coddle them and lie and say that it's the alcohol's fault, or the drug's fault. I'm certainly not going to make the leap to saying that all drugs should be banned just because some people choose to use them irresponsibly. Some people drive irresponsibly. We don't ban cars or say that the cars drove the people irresponsibly.
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So what would you do? Sit them across from you at a table, and coldly explain they are choosing to destroy their own lives? You really think that is going to help someone with addiction? I'm not saying you aren't willing to help, I'm saying your advice is so corrosive that it would instantly cause the addict to turn around and walk out of the room. Addicts get told this all the time, 'why don't you just quit', it's not helpful, it's actually somewhat insulting and after hearing it a hundred times it can get old, quick.
I don't think drug prohibition effects addiction one way or the other. People who want to use will find it whether it's legal or not. End prohibition and you still have to deal with the health issue that is addiction. Just telling people to stop, isn't going to work. So what then?
Maximilian:
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That's like telling a fat person to just stop eating, not very helpful really.
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Personal responsibility is a bitch, I know.
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This is why nobody will ever come to you for help losing weight. Or why an alcoholic or addict would never go to Psy for help.
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I don't know about Psy, but I've had people come to me for help with drug/alcohol issues. They're doing just fine. I try to get my mom to stop eating so much. She doesn't want to.
--- Quote ---You are free to your opinions, but take a look around at where people go to get help and you might learn something.
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Where? AA? Treatment centers that use the 12 step model? Just because something has become popular/pop-culture doesn't mean it "works".
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I find it somewhat ironic that suddenly personal responsibility is so important when talking about addiction. But when talking about why we ended up in programs, it's suddenly somebody else's fault. Suddenly we are on an uncontrollable destiny, not of our own choosing. AA works for a lot of people, I have a hard time understanding why people are so offended by this truth, on fornits. The program ideology i was exposed to, is exactly what you are saying, that life is a series of choices. AA is actually contrary to the "programing" i received.
none-ya:
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" I try to get my mom to stop eating so much. "
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Maybe she could speak to max pain. I understand he has a weight problem also
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Maximilian" ---Addicts get told this all the time, 'why don't you just quit', it's not helpful, it's actually somewhat insulting and after hearing it a hundred times it can get old, quick.
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Because it's human nature to look for the easier way or they way to lay the responsibility on someone or something other than ourselves. It really does boil down to a decision one way or the other. You either decide to quit, or you don't. That applies whether or not someone joins AA or not, correct? You can't make someone quit, they have to decide.....right?
--- Quote ---I don't think drug prohibition effects addiction one way or the other. People who want to use will find it whether it's legal or not. End prohibition and you still have to deal with the health issue that is addiction. Just telling people to stop, isn't going to work. So what then?
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Telling, showing, threatening, scaring people isn't going to do anything until they make a decision that they don't like how they're living and they'd like to change it. Now, again......if someone has a physical addiction, they need medical detox, but beyond that it's up to them.
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Maximilian" ---That's like telling a fat person to just stop eating, not very helpful really.
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Personal responsibility is a bitch, I know.
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This is why nobody will ever come to you for help losing weight. Or why an alcoholic or addict would never go to Psy for help. You are free to your opinions, but take a look around at where people go to get help and you might learn something.
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What might I learn? Something 'bout the powerful medium of marketing and advertising? How to "win friends and influence people?" The keys to group management and organizational psychology?
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