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What illegal drugs would you legalize?
Ursus:
Incidentally, fwiw, Oxycontin is technically not an "illegal drug."
psy:
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--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---I have known many a drunk on the street that would slit your throat for that next drink. I guess it all depends where you grew up.
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Maybe we should start prohibiting alcohol and pre-emptively arresting alcohol users. Goodness knows, if you say it's true, they must all be out to kill us. Will somebody please think of the children!
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I guess if this is how you choose to perceive what I wrote.
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I was making a point about the prejudice of drug prohibition. It's future crime. You can't have X drug because X might cause you to do Y bad thing. Pre Juduced. You are judged before you do. The second problem there is that people consider alcoholism a disease (please discuss in other thread), and because a disease is an uncontrollable thing, it's really not their fault. It's the drug's fault. Sure it makes the addict feel good, but it's not objectively true (which is the only thing that really matters). Because it's really "the drugs" that are causing crime, there is enough public health consideration to take the rights to use them away. Or so the argument goes. Me? I believe in free choice and I believe that individuals should be judged on an individual basis, not by what is in their blood, but by what their actions are.
If people are harming others. Lock them up for those harmful actions. But if nobody is being harmed but consenting, responsible adults, leave them alone. The alternative to this is punishing all individuals (including responsible ones) based on group membership (drug users), which is wrong.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---I have known many a drunk on the street that would slit your throat for that next drink. I guess it all depends where you grew up.
--- End quote ---
Maybe we should start prohibiting alcohol and pre-emptively arresting alcohol users. Goodness knows, if you say it's true, they must all be out to kill us. Will somebody please think of the children!
--- End quote ---
I guess if this is how you choose to perceive what I wrote.
--- End quote ---
I was making a point about the prejudice of drug prohibition. It's future crime. You can't have X drug because X might cause you to do Y bad thing. Pre Juduced. You are judged before you do. The second problem there is that people consider alcoholism a disease (please discuss in other thread), and because a disease is an uncontrollable thing, it's really not their fault. It's the drug's fault. Sure it makes the addict feel good, but it's not objectively true (which is the only thing that really matters). Because it's really "the drugs" that are causing crime, there is enough public health consideration to take the rights to use them away. Or so the argument goes. Me? I believe in free choice and I believe that individuals should be judged on an individual basis, not by what is in their blood, but by what their actions are.
If people are harming others. Lock them up for those harmful actions. But if nobody is being harmed but consenting, responsible adults, leave them alone. The alternative to this is punishing all individuals (including responsible ones) based on group membership (drug users), which is wrong.
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Not much to argue there.
My point and it is very brief is, a full blown alcoholic suffering will come close to killing someone for his next drink or for trying to take his drink.
Trust me I know, my grandfather knocked me across the room when I was 5 years old for trying to remove a bottle from his sleeping hand. Just wanted to help "pa pa" put the bottle on the coffee table.
Addiction can be a nasty foe, very unpredictable.
psy:
Just because grandaddy was an drunk who preferred alcohol to you doesn't mean it applies to everybody. He made a choice. He continued to make choices. That's not a mental disease. That's assholitis. You might not just want to admit it because it's so close to home, or you see it through a dogmatic lens. It's why personal anecdotes are so unreliable. Most drunks are obnoxious and embarrassing to be around. Not a whole lot smack kids. Those who do probably would have smacked the kid for a couple hundred dollars while entirely sober. This is why it's fair to only judge those who commit crimes under the influence. To do otherwise is to judge the obnoxious yet relatively harmless other drunks their right to personal sovereignty... or those who use alcohol responsibly.
none-ya:
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:That's not a mental disease. That's assholitis."
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Isn't that what alchoholism is in the first place? When your buzz if more impotant than anything or anyone else in your life.I'm sorry . I don't suffer drunks very well at all.I've seen people do the craziest shit in the world while drunk.Far worse than any illegal drugs.
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