The art of protesting is being lost

[none-ya]

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[Botched Programming]

I kinda' knew you had nothin'. There are plenty of other things to be passionate about, but promoting alcoholism? May as well join Max , and root for the whales.

Get all huffy because you don't have TIME to build trust... TIME broke down means Things I Must Earn... Just like the Rolling Stones said "You don't always get what you want, but you might find sometimes you get what you need"

Be back in about an hour... AA meeting getting ready to start up the road and I gotta get my flier on the windows by 8:15 while they are opening the meeting.

Peace
 :peace:

[none-ya]

Now I'm the who. Sorry you got that one 100 0/0 wrong. Like I said, you've got nothing. (execpt maybe beer).

[shaggys]

I appreciate the copy of the flyer you just sent me via email Botched. I dont know why none-ya is being so demanding about it right now. Damn dude chill, I'm sure Botched will get around to it when he feels like it.

[none-ya]

I am simply courious of the message.I guess it's an inside joke. (wink wink,secret handshake).

[Botched Programming]

I am simply courious of the message.I guess it's an inside joke. (wink wink,secret handshake).

No inside joke... Read your PM I sent you and maybe it will be clearer.

Peace
 :peace:

[none-ya]

I think I get it.[attachment=0:1bnwo6pf]protest 2 copy.jpg[/attachment:1bnwo6pf]

[none-ya]

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[none-ya]

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[Botched Programming]

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Everybody... Even including you too Who... Take a look at the sign that none-ya posted... It is not just a personal vandetta for me as others all across this country are doing the same as me... Call me a radical if you will but it is not only me... Look deep within your ownselves as the truth can set you free....

[Che Gookin]

Protesting Benchmark with psy was one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had with these forums. Once back in the US I plan to find a program, dig up the dirt on it, and protest the hell out of it on a regular basis.

What made the Benchmark protest so worthwhile, I spent all told about 3000 bucks, give or take, I couldn't tell you exactly as it was a while ago. For that 3000, benchmark got so psychotic over the whole thing, plus Psy railing away at them every chance he got with his website, that they tried suing him. In the end the 3000 bucks I spent, cost them far far far far far more in legal bills. They had to pay their own, and Psy's legal expenses after the judge told them to blow it out their ass.

Kids Helping Kids more or less got ran out of town by the repeat protests that kept the pressure on them. They ended up getting protested so many times that they probably could have set their watches by it, well that is if they had watches, I'm pretty sure they had to pawn their watches to pay their light bills towards the end.

Protesting programs isn't anything like protesting during the 60s. Protesting a program isn't going to automatically draw alot of sympathy and support. To get that you need to be willing to take the time to build that foundation within the community. Using things like the internet, mobile phones, camcorders, digital cameras, and websites are merely modern day implements which we can wield to great affect.

Seriously, if you want to protest.. Protest... lemme know.. If I can help in someway, I will. My means are far more limited now that I work in China, but what I have, I'm willing to give. Ask one of the PV protesters. The camera he used to get his videos came from me. I sent it to him with my regards and wished him good luck. Not sure what happened to the kid, but hopefully he's getting some good use out of that camera, it was a nice little number.

So again, if I can possibly help you, remember my means are limited, I will help you.

But god damn it, if you wimp out at the last minute over something trivial, that's bullshit.

Grow a pair.

[none-ya]

We seem to have a consensus.[attachment=0:2g8keeak]FUCK AA.jpg[/attachment:2g8keeak]

[Botched Programming]

We seem to have a consensus.[attachment=0:1aczyyvk]FUCK AA.jpg[/attachment:1aczyyvk]

PRICELESS.....

You go bro....

[psy]

We seem to have a consensus.[attachment=0:1v1f6e0i]FUCK AA.jpg[/attachment:1v1f6e0i]

I don't think that's quite the point.  Taking a "pro-drinking" stance isn't going to sway many who want to quit.  How about "AA is not the only way" or "be S.M.A.R.T. you're not powerless" (as in the alternative to AA).

Some people are quite simply better off not drinking.  They never learned good habits and they never learned the self control to moderate.  She's  For them it's simply easier not to drink at all, and that's fine...  And if they feel they could use help quitting there are alternatives to AA.  There are also approaches such as MM which can help people learn the moderation skills they never acquired growing up.  I think that if you're going to protest, that's what you should say.  There are many people who truly believe AA is the only way.  There are many people who are simply not happy with AA.  Show them alternatives and give information about SOS / Smart meetings and the like.  Hold up a sign saying "court ordered?  talk to us" and if anybody asks, explain to them they can sue the state for referrals.  Enough lawsuits and the practice might actually stop.

Otherwise, if you take a pro-drinking stance you're just going to be mocked by the stepcraft practitioners as a bunch of drunks who don't want to quit.  Whether or not that's accurate is irrelevant.  That's what they'll see and you won't win anybody over that way.  Personally, I wouldn't even be hostile at all, other than to the idea that AA is the only way.

Not that what I think matters, but I would personalyl prefer if you guys protested actual troubled teen programs which abuse kids...  but if there are none in your area...  It's not that i'm saying AA isn't worthy of protest.  I'd just argue there are more worthy targets.

[Botched Programming]

We seem to have a consensus.[attachment=0:39ni0vfv]FUCK AA.jpg[/attachment:39ni0vfv]

I don't think that's quite the point.  Taking a "pro-drinking" stance isn't going to sway many who want to quit.  How about "AA is not the only way" or "be S.M.A.R.T. you're not powerless" (as in the alternative to AA).

Some people are quite simply better off not drinking.  They never learned good habits and they never learned the self control to moderate.  She's  For them it's simply easier not to drink at all, and that's fine...  And if they feel they could use help quitting there are alternatives to AA.  There are also approaches such as MM which can help people learn the moderation skills they never acquired growing up.  I think that if you're going to protest, that's what you should say.  There are many people who truly believe AA is the only way.  There are many people who are simply not happy with AA.  Show them alternatives and give information about SOS / Smart meetings and the like.  Hold up a sign saying "court ordered?  talk to us" and if anybody asks, explain to them they can sue the state for referrals.  Enough lawsuits and the practice might actually stop.

Otherwise, if you take a pro-drinking stance you're just going to be mocked by the stepcraft practitioners as a bunch of drunks who don't want to quit.  Whether or not that's accurate is irrelevant.  That's what they'll see and you won't win anybody over that way.  Personally, I wouldn't even be hostile at all, other than to the idea that AA is the only way.

Not that what I think matters, but I would personalyl prefer if you guys protested actual troubled teen programs which abuse kids...  but if there are none in your area...  It's not that i'm saying AA isn't worthy of protest.  I'd just argue there are more worthy targets.

My comment was made ion a joking fashion Psy.... I would never put that in one of my Fliers.... The information I put is basically the same as what you were quoting... However I have not ever thought of using "You Are Not Powerless" That is a powerful statement.... May have to stand in front of the church on the road and hold a sign up so they can see it when they pull in then leave a flier... Thanks for the insight on a new tactic.

Peace
 :peace: