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BuzzKill:
--- Quote from: "none-ya" ---Hey buzz
video no worky
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try now
ajax13:
Where is that anthrax going to come from, Buzzy? Who is ranching those rascally little bugs?
"The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... train.html
And who attacked people with anthrax, Buzzy?
"Bruce Ivins, 62, who had worked for 18 years at the US Government's biodefence research laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland, died from an overdose of painkillers after being told that the Justice Department was about to charge him over the attacks, which brought fresh terror to the US days after the September 11 atrocity."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 441055.ece
And who's got the low-down on the bugs now, Buzzy?
"•The programs conducted at NBACC will provide knowledge of infectious properties of biological agents, effectiveness of countermeasures, decontamination procedures, and forensics analyses to support policy makers and responders’ development of policies, programs, and technologies"
http://www.dhs.gov/files/labs/gc_1166211221830.shtm
BuzzKill:
Ajax - why are you asking me? I'm not the one advocating biological war fair to wipe out troublesome infidels. All I'm trying to do is point out who is. We can not afford to be complacent about Islam and the very real goal it's followers have of our destruction. We can not afford to be PC on this topic. We can not afford to pretend cold hard facts are instead ignorance and bigotry.
ajax13:
Buzzy, the cold hard facts are that the United States government operates a trillion dollar military apparatus that is operating in a multitude of Islamic nations. There are no Islamic countries currently occupying, nor conducting combat operations in, the United States. Hundreds of thousands of muslims have died in the last twenty years as a result of military actions by the agents of the United States government. There is no identifiable entity called "Islam" with agents responsible for the deaths of any United States citizens. The only incidence of somebody conducting a terror attack with anthrax was the action of a member of the US-based military industrial complex. There is no emprical evidence whatsoever to substantiate your allegation that we need to be afraid of "Islam". It is a reism that you use. So it remains unclear just what it is that you are trying to do.
IslamIsViolent:
Ajax. You're right. Islam is not an entity. Nazism was not an entity. Both are ideologies, and ideologies have followers. The goal of Islam, like Nazism, is the extermination of the unbelievers (especially jews), and the establishment of a worldwide Calphate. Let's start with the jews:
One hadith says:
--- Quote ---"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)
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These ahadith are considered Sahih (authentic). The Quran is similar. Read Sura 9, the last chapter written which abrogates all previous, if you want to see what it says about how unbelievers should be killed, subdued, or enslaved wherever they are found. It's quite explicit, and not really subject to interpretation.
See. I just don't see the logic with tolerating an intolerant ideology. People don't tolerate Nazism. Why do they tolerate Islam? Is it that enough time has passed for it to become accepted? Is it that Nazism was never declared a religion? Do people assume that all religions are the same? When Synanon declared itself a religion, did that suddenly mean it was benign?
If you tolerate Islam, you tolerate intolerance. You tolerate it's commands to beat women. You tolerate it's tolerance of rape. You tolerate it's commands to commit genocide. I'm not saying that all who claim to follow Islam actually do these things. I'm saying the ideology itself is toxic and those who follow it are by definition violent. Military Jihad is not a small part of islam. It's a very large part. The religion was invented to justify the actions of a warlord, after all. Us foreign policy is hardly perfect but that doesn't in any way mean that there isn't danger out there or that Islam is not a threat.
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