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Offline spots

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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2004, 07:38:00 PM »
Trolling Mom wrote:

"They've answered my questions, both positive and negative and told me what I need to know, not what I need to hear.  Why else would I be here.  I've seen that most of this is NOT about abuse, but about issues with a spouse, a parent, an organization, but not about what really matters.
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Uuhhh...issues with an organization?  Bet your booties!  You are incorrect in stating that this board is about issues with a spouse, etc.  This board is about what happens when issues with a spouse, etc., are handed over to a money-hungry corporation who promises to return a cookie-cutter child whose self and self-esteem have been pummeled into submission.  You are also incorrect in that this corporation DOES in fact tell you exactly what you want to hear, not what you need to know.

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Trolling Mom says further:

"Melissa, I really don't see anything you've written that would convince me that your "abuse" was with this program, but with your issues with your dad and his girlfriend."

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You have read postings by Melissa, and you have made a statement that puts the blame on the trauma that Melissa has lived through entirely on her shoulders.  You expect her to understand, according to your logic, that if she didn't "have issues" with her dad and his girlfriend, she wouldn't have had the horrific experience of WWASPS.  How dare you trivialize another's live-changing experience by saying, "It's your own fault".  You, madam, are the quintessential WWASPS parent, and you exhibit the mentality of one who will search high and low to find validation for your own kid's problems:  "It's your own fault".
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She continues:

"The  kids I've talked to explained to me about restraints and when they're used - the levels and when they get certain priviledges, the parent seminars which i'm really excited about and hanging in there during the next year or two while we're bringing our family to a healthier place."
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How many times a year in a high school of 2500 rampant-hormone, slipping-and-sliding-toward-adulthood kids is "restraint" necessary? I would venture to say NEVER.  How many times a year in a booking room of a local jail is restraint necessary?  Occasionally, but even with criminals entering jail, restraint beyond the required handcuffs is almost unheard-of. How many times in a year at a WWASPS facility is restraint "necessary"?  Judging from survivors' reports, it's an everyday occurrence.  Why?  

And, if intense weekend seminars away from home and the family at a hotel, receiving validation that it is, indeed, THE KID's OWN FAULT, you are a WWASPS dream-come-true.  There are no facts which will change your mind.  You have come to this board to validate your already-formed conclusion.  Someone else has to fix this problem for you, because it's your kid's own fault and you need a lot of rah-rah time to drown out his calls for help.
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To finish, Troll Mom said:
 
"So, bring it on, tell me what a bad parent I am for doing this, tell me how terrible wwasp is and quote newspaper articles, I've read them all.  I've read all the bickering and attacks here and it shows me that this is not where I want to get my info from."
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Why so defensive?  Aren't you strongly convinced that you are doing the right thing?  Should we on this board really care enough to respond to you?  Do you need fuel for your indignation that lying survivors are supposed to provide?  Unfortunately, your child is doomed.  I have a child out of WWASPS (my grandaughter), and I can say with some certainty that you, Mom, will never again receive that open love from your child. Maybe you don't want it.  But your life as a parent (which should go on until you die) will never be a good one.  But then, Tony Robbins and his tapes might make a good substitute.
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"I have the most respect for Carey and what she has shared.  I guess that makes me crazy too."

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...probably makes Carey puke.  She hates WWASPS and what it did to her children.  She has taken a path many of us don't understand and has veered off into her own vendetta, but, no mistake, Carey hates WWASPS.  

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FWIW, my log-in is Spots, and you might consider searching some of my posts.  I tend to contribute anecdotes of everyday life at WWASPS Casa by the Sea (recently demised), and you can consider whether you want your child to live this life for the next couple of years.
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2006, 04:40:00 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2006, 05:08:00 AM »
Right on lady.  Why do people have children if they don't have the balls and the love to stick with it and raise them?  These WWAsps are no better than concentration camps.  We treat death row inmates better than the kids in these places.  I DO know what I am talking about because my daughter's  father kidnapped her and had her shipped out. She was only 13 and a good, good person. The assholes and felons who participated conspired with her father (Dr. Deep Pockets) who lied and said he had sole custody...not once did they bother to check to see that we had joint legal custody.  I will always regret that I did not sue the bastards.    I was able to rescue her after three weeks but the damage was done and she never recovered, especially being betrayed by her father for money.  It was a great day when I discovered the place had been closed down.  I kept having these daydreams where I would enter the place, UZI drawn, open all the doors and burn down the place with all the "staff" and "family (shit)heads in it.  Any parent considering sending their kids to one of these places is not what I would call a real parent; that requires WORK AND EFFORT!!!  HELLO? Take that second mortgage but instead of handing it over to these flesh profiteers, take your child on a trip; go to Europe, get to know them, TALK to them and more important LISTEN to what they are trying to tell you!  Let them makes mistakes and learn from them.  This is THE most important job you will ever have; don't abdicate!
Unless your child has the strength to withstand the mind-fucking and fight back he or she is MORE
likely to do all the things they try to tell you will happen if you don't open your pocket book and turn the kid over like suicide, drugs, being on the street etc.  As a parent you may have good intentions but it is a monumentally cruel thing to do to any human being.  Any parent considering it should be forced to endure the ENTIRE program first.  Maybe we ought to kidnap parents and put them in a camp where they can learn how to parent!
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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2006, 12:12:00 PM »
You aprove of using isolation in a freezing cell as punishment?
You approve of emotionally disturbed children giving consequences to other emotionally distrubed chldren?
You approve of their using pictures not of their facility to advertise their private prison?
You approve that your child should be silent for a good part of his stay?
You approve that your child should be denied his constitutional right to communicate with you? Oh,by the way you cannot waive that right in a contract.
You approve of restaint used as punishment?
You approve of meals that are nutritionally deficient?
You approve of food deprivation as punishment?
You aprove that your child should have self-paced nonexistant education?
Did you have child examined by a mental health professional who reccomended this?
If you agree to send your child to any of these conditions you need the mental health exam far more than your child. Even within the RTC community WWASP schools are considered child abuse.
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2006, 12:41:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-09 02:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Right on lady.  Why do people have children if they don't have the balls and the love to stick with it and raise them?  These WWAsps are no better than concentration camps.  We treat death row inmates better than the kids in these places.  I DO know what I am talking about because my daughter's  father kidnapped her and had her shipped out. She was only 13 and a good, good person. The assholes and felons who participated conspired with her father (Dr. Deep Pockets) who lied and said he had sole custody...not once did they bother to check to see that we had joint legal custody.  I will always regret that I did not sue the bastards.    I was able to rescue her after three weeks but the damage was done and she never recovered, especially being betrayed by her father for money.  It was a great day when I discovered the place had been closed down.  I kept having these daydreams where I would enter the place, UZI drawn, open all the doors and burn down the place with all the "staff" and "family (shit)heads in it.  Any parent considering sending their kids to one of these places is not what I would call a real parent; that requires WORK AND EFFORT!!!  HELLO? Take that second mortgage but instead of handing it over to these flesh profiteers, take your child on a trip; go to Europe, get to know them, TALK to them and more important LISTEN to what they are trying to tell you!  Let them makes mistakes and learn from them.  This is THE most important job you will ever have; don't abdicate!

Unless your child has the strength to withstand the mind-fucking and fight back he or she is MORE

likely to do all the things they try to tell you will happen if you don't open your pocket book and turn the kid over like suicide, drugs, being on the street etc.  As a parent you may have good intentions but it is a monumentally cruel thing to do to any human being.  Any parent considering it should be forced to endure the ENTIRE program first.  Maybe we ought to kidnap parents and put them in a camp where they can learn how to parent!"


Well said - I hope the program parents are listening.  It's sickening what money will buy ... first class torture of your own child.

WAKE UP PARENTS.  You couldn't treat your own kids this way so you found somebody else who would and opened up your checkbook.

Gee, that's really something to be proud of, now isn't it?
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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2006, 02:07:00 PM »
Did they use solitary confinement as punishment? This question is for the WWASP kid who thinks the program did him good.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2006, 05:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-09 11:07:00, Badpuppy wrote:

"Did they solitary confinement as punishment? This question is for the sockpuppet pretending to be a WWASP kid."

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Fixed your post.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2006, 05:18:00 PM »
If only one child is abused and or dies and a hundred are helped by these programs it is NOT worth the abuse of even that one child to accomplish helping 100.   So which parent wants to volunteer to be the one whose child dies?
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2006, 08:21:00 PM »
Im sure the one who said after her child shot himself in the head becuase she was threatening to return him to WWASPS and said that it still "saved his life" for those few years he was in the program would gladly squat and shove out another sacraficial lamb for the altar of mind control and tough love  :flame:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2006, 02:12:00 AM »
To all parents thinking of sending their kid to a WWASP:  they pay now but YOU will pay later.
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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2006, 02:49:00 AM »
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#186779
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on fornits we post
a foreigner wants this poem


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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2006, 01:22:00 PM »
Anthony Robbins.....yeah I bought those CD's! God, I think I paid around $300 for them. Difference is, I was able to listen to them freely when I wanted to. I wasn't forced to.

What kinda sucks, is that I was telling a very wealthy friend of mine that I purchased his CD's, and he knew him personally, and filled me in on all his bullshit. What kind of person he was(totally full of himself) only in it for the money, and a real asshole.

I knew this was probably true because in the last 5 years I had never caught my friend in any lies, and he wasn't that kind of guy to talk shit about someone out of jealousy, he had his own coin.

I still have them, but I never finished listening. Oh well, I will just pile it on top of all the other crap I bought off the TV that doesn't work!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2006, 01:27:00 PM »
put them on ebay. some programmie will come along and pay you twice what you paid.  :lol:
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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2006, 02:43:00 PM »
Who needs Ebay when you have Fornits? I am sure some fucking idiot will private message me wanting them! Same people I do battle with here on a daily basis!!!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2006, 04:49:00 PM »
Very clever post. Since he is Socrates I thought I would use the Socratic method. One question at a time. There are certain limits in terms of complexity you have to respect when engaging "self paced" education. My intuition is that he doesn't really want to discuss what happened in his program and won't be back anytime soon.
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