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Anne Bonney:
Just as Christianity has different sects - some of which are insane - and just as Fred Phelps doesn't represent all Christians, neither does Bin Laden represent all Muslims or the Sunnis, or Shi’ites, or Sufis.
To lump all Muslims into one group is akin to lumping all Christians into Mormonism, Scientology, Christian Scientists (who let their children die because they think god will cure them). Again, we have freedom of religion in America. I can't stand the fact that Phelps & Co. protest Gulf War Veterans funerals, but it is his right. It's also my right to call him a bigoted asshole.
Besides, how quickly we forget that Bin Laden and other violent Muslims were our "allies" and "friends" just a few years back.
Froderik:
I'll attempt to simplify the whole situation so that a five year old could understand it:
1. For decades, US & Saudi Arabia engage in high-dollar illicit trade involving oil and arms
2. Money trickles down to groups of religious fanatics (oops, uh-oh)
3. proverbial shit hits the fan back in 2001
4. events are used for political fodder
5. the fires of racist hatred are fanned
Did I leave out anything?
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Froderik" ---I'll attempt to simplify the whole situation so that a five year old could understand it:
1. For decades, US & Saudi Arabia engage in high-dollar illicit trade involving oil and arms
2. Money trickles down to groups of religious fanatics (oops, uh-oh)
3. proverbial shit hits the fan back in 2001
4. events are used for political fodder
5. the fires of racist hatred are fanned
Did I leave out anything?
--- End quote ---
Nope. That's pretty much it. Nicely done! :tup:
Anne Bonney:
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---Well, I've not seen anyone arguing they don't have the right to build.
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Gingrich: Make Ground Zero A National Battlefield To Stop The Supposed Mosque
The majority of New Yorkers want the developers of Park51, known to its opponents as the "Ground Zero mosque," to voluntarily move the community center further from Ground Zero -- but the majority also acknowledges the developers' right to build there if they want.
Newt Gingrich doesn't feel that way. In a radio interview today, he said he wants the national government to step in and stop the developers from building the Islamic community center by whatever means necessary. (My comments: Newt holds much more sway than a regular civilian)
"I think the Congress has the ability to declare the area a national battlefield memorial because I think we should think of the World Trade Center as a battlefield site; this is a war," he said, apparently thinking that if Ground Zero was a national park, Park51 would be restricted from building near it.
And if that fails, he said, the state government should step in and use its considerable power to stymie the development.
"The Attorney General of New York, Andrew Cuomo, could intervene because frankly he has the ability to slow it down for decades if he wants to."
And, if the federal government doesn't intervene, and the state government declines to use its regulatory and enforcement powers to delay a private development project, Gringrich says the mayor should step in.
"I am surprised that Mayor Bloomberg said it was okay and I think that if he reconsiders it, he'll decide its not."
In fact, on whatever level, Gingrich thinks government intervention is the answer.
"There are a number of different steps that could be taken. There's no reason this has to occur and whether it's city, state, or federal there are plenty of ways for America to stop it," Gingrich said.
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