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CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« on: August 10, 2010, 04:58:22 PM »
http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/100514/ ... #tx13761_2

First things first: This 10Q is *unaudited*. Are the numbers accurate? There's no way of knowing. That's what unaudited means. They seem to be mostly accurate, save for some wild overvaluings.

For those of you worried that CRC's staying afloat because it managed to make a tiny profit this quarter: Relax. Its total loss was $135M in March 2009, and its total loss in December 2009 was $161M. This means that it managed to piss 26 million dollars away in those 9 months. Also, its "Recovery" division was the cause for most of the gain for 1Q 2010 ($25M); the "Healthy living" division (where the "therapeutic boarding schools" are) lost 4 million dollars this quarter, while its corporate headquarters pissed away $8M. And the remaining $13M was mostly raped by the crushing debt- nearly 11 million dollars of interest for the quarter.

How much crushing debt? Oh, only 650 million dollars of it. And $116 million in deferred income taxes. I'm not even going to pretend to know how they can pull THAT one off.

CRC values its "referral network" at nearly $30M, depreciating over 20 years. I can't figure out why they value it this way or why it depreciates. It's not that kind of asset. Its curriculum and accreditations are valued the same way. This makes strikingly little sense. Its trademarks/trade names it values at $172 million (I wouldn't pay two dollars for them :rofl:) and it values its Certificates of Need and regulatory licenses at $44.6M and $37.5M, respectively. They might be necessary for the company to operate, but what the fuck gives them a book value of 80 million bucks? It's not like CRC paid $80 million to get them!

On the other hand, its contracts, assuming that refers to actual signed contracts with a guarantee of future business, are a real asset- but those total to only $33.5M.

Goodwill isn't really an asset. A thorough discussion of the subject can be found here. Aspen took a $170M goodwill hit on its "Healthy Living" (residential treatment) from an original $240M on goodwill. This means that even the management agrees that the division is fucked. But either way, it only applies if someone else buys the company, and only if they choose to take it at face value; not likely. Goodwill isn't money and can't be converted to money.

In other words, the bulk of CRC's assets are intangibles and nonexistents; it has maybe $250-300 million in something that could be qualified as a real asset, depending on how much shit you want to believe. On the hand, its liabilities, all $813 million of them, are very, very real.

What Bain Capital is doing can be best described as corporate necromancy; CRC's total loss so far (again, this is money it's actually paid out, not money it owes) is $160 million, and Bain's paid in $456M. The only reason Bain would want to pour money down this rathole is to maintain stockholder equity, funneling money from Bain's corporate coffers into the pockets of CRC's stockholders, whoever they are. If Bain was actually serious about keeping CRC alive for the long term, they'd do something to pay down the crushing debt; Bain isn't about to spend $650M on this turkey in one shot. Way too much risk.

From an assets/debt perspective, the solution is simple. Sell off the money-bleeding "Healthy Living" division in its entirety, using the proceeds to pay down the debt, and start austerity at corporate headquarters to staunch the bleeding there. Make money from the profitable "Recovery" division and, again, pay down the debt with it. Then maybe Bain can step in, finish off the debt, and turn CRC into an actual investment instead of a money pit.

Why don't they do this? Again, stockholder equity. Because selling off all the "Healthy Living" crap would mean that quite a few of those intangibles/nonexistents would disappear, resulting in a loss of book assets. If Bain had to step in to cover the difference, Bain wouldn't be happy. If the stockholders found themselves holding assets with considerably less book value, they wouldn't be happy and they aren't about to wait for the company to actually be profitable. So the company is fundamentally at odds with itself; it can't do what it needs to do to survive for the long term. Its current solution seems to be to s-l-o-w-l-y sell off the "Healthy Living" piecemeal, letting Bain's steady influx of cash make up the difference, but every quarter it does this, it pays more and more interest.

Can somebody with some econ experience help me figure out *exactly* what the hell's going on, and how it can defer 116 million bucks in income taxes? (No, not the one we know has a financial interest in CRC/Aspen, thanks)
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 06:24:43 PM »
Pile, the deferred income tax is an easy one (the rest of their valuation is not).  This deferrment simply means that CRC has realized an income that is expected to be taxed at the standard corporate rate which is generally assumed to be 35% (for projection purposes).  So, that deferred amount is what they estimate they will have to pay, but this is calculated before their actual taxable income is determined.  Once the accounting process is complete, they may pay that amount, more or less, depending on how the numbers shake out.  Right now it's simply an estimated liability on their books.

Now, the rest of their value statement is not so straightforward.  Typically a company like CRC will be valued based on its book-to-market ratio; that is, what it's worth on CRC's books versus how the market values the company.  An accurate valuation would be 1:1 for a company like CRC.  If they were heavy on "intellectual capital" like Oracle or Microsoft the book value would be below the market value because of "intangible assets."  CRC doesn't really have any intellectual capital.  It's a service business.  It's worth what it's services bring in plus the value of its plant.  It looks like they're making a big value statement based on branding, which you rightly stated is currently in the toilet.  To me, it looks awfully inflated.

However...this type of value self-statement (with no audit, of course) is typical for companies looking to sell.  Right now they are shopping CRC Youth Care which is taking an absolute pounding in value.  To me, this just looks like confirmation of what I have already heard rumblings about - CRC Youth is dead in the water.  CRC Youth is Aspen Education.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 06:45:57 PM »
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Pile, the deferred income tax is an easy one (the rest of their valuation is not).  This deferrment simply means that CRC has realized an income that is expected to be taxed at the standard corporate rate which is generally assumed to be 35% (for projection purposes).  So, that deferred amount is what they estimate they will have to pay, but this is calculated before their actual taxable income is determined.

Now I'm even more confused. In what universe has CRC realized $330 million dollars in income not yet taxed? Over what time period? With what revenue?!

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However...this type of value self-statement (with no audit, of course) is typical for companies looking to sell. Right now they are shopping CRC Youth Care which is taking an absolute pounding in value. To me, this just looks like confirmation of what I have already heard rumblings about - CRC Youth is dead in the water. CRC Youth is Aspen Education.

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest, but I'm just curious who'd be dumb enough to buy it. A blatantly overvalued money-losing enterprise, sold at considerably more than its tangible assets and which cost the last buyer (Bain Capital) a considerable chunk of change? Oh boy! Sure, I'll open my checkbook for that one! Where do I sign?
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 07:12:04 PM »
Also I should clarify what I meant by sell in its entirety. Unless CRC finds some real dumbshits with a couple hundred million to waste, they're not going to sell its "Healthy Living" division/CRC Youth as itself. The fastest way to recoup anything would be to sell the tangibles: the land with buildings on it, to be repurposed or scrapped as the buyer wishes. Which is what they've been doing, but again, piecemeal.

What, guys? Do you think the Child Abuse Fairy is going to descend from Heaven and suddenly make CRC Youth profitable long enough for you to sell it? Every day you keep it open is another day you risk another closure, another dead kid, another lawsuit. It's a loss. Take it as what it is, eat the pain, and be done with it instead of slowly bleeding your cash and risking major corporate damage.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 07:45:54 PM »
Both the co-founder of the company, Dr. Barry Karlin, and a Board of Directors member, Elliot Sainer (Wait, isn't that the President of Aspen?), decided to GTFO. They just finished up Barry's contract of termination and Elliot just announced his resignation.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (not looking too bad)
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 08:01:07 PM »
CRC may be considering selling off the Aspen Programs (although I haven't read this) to try to get a better "foot hold" in the weight management  division and shift some of their assets there.  

Some quick and dirty numbers:     Link

If you look at the net revenue per bed per day, Aspen Education was pulling in $288 per kid every day (Net revenue). (which is down from $304 per day last year).  While their Weight Management Division was pulling in $297 per kid per day (Net revenue).  

During 2009 they were able to treat 4,500 students.  If you look at the number of RTCs(7) and TBS’s (8), Special Learning (2) Outdoor Programs (7)compared to  their weight loss Division (13).

So it would make good business sense to shift over to the weight management which is apparently what the customers demand is going and shed off some of their RTCs and TBS’s.  I think this is "where the real money is" lol (sorry inside joke)

Residential Treatment Centers
         
Aspen Institute for Behavioral Assessment
Aspen Ranch
Island View
Pine Ridge Academy
SunHawk Adolescent Recovery Center
Turn-About Ranch
Youth Care

Therapeutic Boarding Schools
         
Academy at Swift River
Bromley Brook School
Copper Canyon Academy
New Leaf Academy of Oregon
New Leaf Academy of North Carolina
NorthStar Center
Oakley School
Stone Mountain School
   
Special Learning Needs
         
Camp Huntington
 Talisman Summer Camps
   
Outdoor Programs
         
Adirondack Leadership Expeditions
Aspen Achievement Academy
Four Circles Recovery Center
Outback Therapeutic Expeditions
Passages to Recovery Loa    UT    Leased
SUWS of the Carolinas / Phoenix Outdoor
SUWS of Idaho

Weight Management Schools and Camps
         
Wellspring Academy of the Carolinas
Wellspring Academy of California
Wellspring Adventure Camp NC
Wellspring Family Camp
Wellspring California
Wellspring Florida
Wellspring Hawaii
Wellspring New York
Wellspring Pennsylvania
Wellspring Texas
Wellspring Wisconsin
Wellspring UK
Wellspring Vancouver



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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 08:15:22 PM »
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If you look at the net revenue per bed per day, Aspen Education was pulling in $288 per kid every day (net after expenses). (which is down from $304 per day last year).  While their Weight Management Division was pulling in $297 per kid per day (Net after expenses).

Absolute bullshit. That's not net after expenses. That might be revenue before expenses.. wait, it's not that either. Let's have some real numbers instead.

During 2009, CRC's "Healthy Living" division had a revenue of $117,515,000. During that same time period, they had operating expenses at the "Healthy Living" division of $153,098,000. This comes to a loss of $35,383,000. Assuming we take your bullshit number of 4500 "clients" and divide that by 365 for a per-day figure, it comes to a loss of 21 dollars per kid per day.

It's right there on page 36, Whooter. Don't pretend.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 08:58:14 PM »
When looking at the 4,500 kids that they treated last year.... some may have stayed a week and others may have stayed the full year.  We cannot assume they all stayed the entire year.

The Industry has taken a down turn mostly as a result of the economy which has also hampered parents from accessing funds in the form of loans and equity in their homes to help pay for treatment.  So demand still remains high but fewer households can afford the treatment out of pocket.  The total number of facilities decreased from 29 down to 24 for Aspen Programs (in 2009) whereas the weight management division increased their facility count from 17 to 18 over the same period.  If you look at this coupled with the increased per bed per day net revenue (in the weight management division) we can see why they may be thinking of selling off the Aspen division.



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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 09:11:36 PM »
So if the total is 4500 kids no matter how long they stayed then the per-kid per-day loss is even bigger.

Tell us how your per-bed per-day number is anything other than complete bullshit, Whooter. Cite a page number.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 09:17:41 PM »
Also, don't try to blame the economy. CRC claims it's the economy because they can't afford to let the truth slip out: that residential treatment is a dying business even when other parts of its business are making money.

Quote from: "CRC's yearly numbers"
Recovery division revenue growth is primarily attributable to increases of $6.9 million and $0.2 million in comprehensive treatment centers (“CTCs”) and outpatient facilities, respectively offset by revenue decreases in residential treatment centers of $4.6 million. Of the $27.0 million decrease in healthy living division revenue, $14.8 million is primarily attributable to residential schools, $10.1 million in outdoor programs, and $1.9 million in weight management.

Large CTC growth mixed with massive RTC loss (both adult and teenager) doesn't match up with it being the economy.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010, 09:25:52 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Also, don't try to blame the economy. CRC claims it's the economy because they can't afford to let the truth slip out: that residential treatment is a dying business even when other parts of its business are making money.

Quote from: "Aspen's yearly numbers"
Recovery division revenue growth is primarily attributable to increases of $6.9 million and $0.2 million in comprehensive treatment centers (“CTCs”) and outpatient facilities, respectively offset by revenue decreases in residential treatment centers of $4.6 million. Of the $27.0 million decrease in healthy living division revenue, $14.8 million is primarily attributable to residential schools, $10.1 million in outdoor programs, and $1.9 million in weight management.

Large CTC growth mixed with massive RTC loss (both adult and teenager) doesn't match up with it being the economy.

None of us can ignore the economy.  I cant see how more parents can afford to send their kids to residential treatment when many of them depend on the equity in their homes and personal loans to help supplement the out of pocket expenses.  As the economy improves there will be more assets available for the families to tap into.

If there is less demand for residential treatment and Therapeutic Boarding Schools then the number of them will naturally decrease.  But this is driven by the families themselves not the industry.  The industry cannot dictate the number of kids who will need their treatment.



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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 09:27:41 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
So if the total is 4500 kids no matter how long they stayed then the per-kid per-day loss is even bigger.

Tell us how your per-bed per-day number is anything other than complete bullshit, Whooter. Cite a page number.

Ya know I was going to jump in on this but it looks like Whooter is doing a fine job again. Pile you are over your head and plagiarizing numbers from a professional assisting you.Stop acting like you know what your really talking about.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 09:32:10 PM »
Sorry, Whooter, but no. You can't explain the CTC growth with the economy. Is it bad or is it good? CTCs aren't cheap either. Would you like to explain how all of those people suddenly came up with $7 million in extra money during a time where the economy was bad enough to force such massive losses in RTCs and other adolescent "treatment"?

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If there is less demand for residential treatment and Therapeutic Boarding Schools then the number of them will naturally decrease. But this is driven by the families themselves not the industry.

Exactly. And more and more families are deciding that they want no part of this. Which is why CRC's so desperate to sell, and nobody's willing to buy.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2010, 09:32:51 PM »
Danny, you can't read a high school textbook, let alone a corporate balance sheet.
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Re: CRC's 10Q, March 2010 (They're FUCKED!)
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 09:44:51 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Sorry, Whooter, but no. You can't explain the CTC growth with the economy. Is it bad or is it good? CTCs aren't cheap either. Would you like to explain how all of those people suddenly came up with $7 million in extra money during a time where the economy was bad enough to force such massive losses in RTCs and other adolescent "treatment"?

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If there is less demand for residential treatment and Therapeutic Boarding Schools then the number of them will naturally decrease. But this is driven by the families themselves not the industry.

Exactly. And more and more families are deciding that they want no part of this. Which is why CRC's so desperate to sell, and nobody's willing to buy.

When the economy takes a down turn it doesn't mean that people don't want a part of it.  It means that people cannot afford it. The economy downturn is about financial loss not loss of interest or a loss of need.  People put off dental visits for their children also, but it doesnt mean they have less cavities or have a reduced need for dentists.

I just went along with the argument based on the original assumption that CRC is looking to sell off Aspen.  Where does it say this?  Does anyone have a link?  With the economy at a potential turning point it may be a good time to buy.... buy low sell high!!

Do you have a link to this article PODKs?  I am curious if they are selling the whole division or just the Weight management portion, Aspen portion or both.



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