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The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
ajax13:
Buzzkill, your statement is contradicted by the evidence at hand. Millions of Christians have killed other people in the name of Christianity. Your opinion may be that their behaviour is in contradiction to Christianity, but very clearly they did not share that opinion. The other side of this coin is that a billion or so people who deem themselves to be good muslims live their daily lives without engaging in the murder of other human beings in the name of their religion, despite your opinion that they need to be a-slaying to be good muslims. Since people who claim to be following their religions both kill and refrain from killing, it is not logically consistent to claim that religion makes muslims "primitive and viscious."
Again, one need only to look at the massive numbers of people killed by agents of the US state over the years to see that something other than Islam is at the root of violent behaviour. This includes, but is of course not limited to the tens of thousands dead in the Phillipines between 1899-1902, hundreds of thousands of North Korean civilians killed by aerial bombing between 1950-53, a few million folks of various Indo-chinese nationalties, also killed by aerial bombing between 1955-1975, a million or so Iraqi children dead as a result of the sanctions program and destruction of infrastructure between 1991-2003, and the hundreds of thousand of Iraqis who have lost their lives since the occupation beginning in 2003.
none-ya:
Maybe they should build a giant hebrew temple at ground zero, complete with a holocost memorial. I wonder how long that would remain standing?
BuzzKill:
--- Quote ---Buzzkill, what happed to Dr. Gabriel sounds just exactly like what happened to Galileo.
--- End quote ---
It was similar. The threat of death was there. I don't recall that he was actually imprisoned or tortured of sentenced to die - just that the threat was very real. He was on a kind of house arrest, wasn't he? I can't recall specifics. But even if he was tossed in a dungon by the Bishops and racked there are still important differences. His father didn't try to murder him for his POV - nor would his family have hunted him down and murdered him if he had fled to a distant land. Also, as you point out - it was long ago - not recently. And, as I keep pointing out, if they did do these things, they would have been acting in rebellion and sin according to their God's word, not in obedience to it.
IMO, if you want to change muslim violence you first have to get honest about it. People have got to stop with this political correctness garbage. Islam is in no way a "religion of peace". It demands the bloody death of all who resist it. It demands in-human brutality toward women and children. It is horrific and evil in its teachings and practice. Individual muslims who recognize the evil and who want something better need to do exactly what Dr. Gabriel did. Western nations need to be very clear that Islamic nations can be what they are if this is what they want, but if they leave and come here they can not bring it with them. Child abuse and rape, spousal rape and battery, murder for honor or convenience or racial and religious intolerance are not protected by the US Constitution or any law of any non-Islamic nation.
Pile of Dead Kids:
Antigen:
As most of us around here are acutely aware, it can be anywhere from difficult to impossible to influence the mind of a true believer. Moreso when they are surrounded by others with the same opinion. I think the only part of the puzzle somewhat within our reach is to try to reel our own governments and corporations in and get them to quit creating Blowback. Withdraw from foreign entanglements, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, So. America and all the other 200+ foreign nations in which we are inappropriately, unconstitutionally involved.
In other words, trade with all nations, alliance with none. Quit trying to conquer the world. I want the Old Deal back!
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