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The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
Stonewall:
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--- Quote from: "Stonewall" ---The concept of Jihad cannot be blamed on forces outside of Mecca and Medina.
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Not blaming Jihad on the Catholics. Just noting that any religion will do. All it takes is for said religious fanatics to take the notion that God is telling them to start the killing.
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No doubt about that.
And, Islam took that notion on almost immediately. That is how it took over Arabia, and then the whole of the Middle East. Then beyond that.
Certainly Muslims enjoy the right to create Mosques in the U.S.. Even the one at Ground Zero, but they should build it somewhere else. So, the controversy would disappear. A person may have the right to open a slaughter house for swine next to a Mosque. I would say it would create controversy where none is needed. It's about respect. Not simply about a "right" to do it.
Antigen:
--- Quote from: "Stonewall" ---
--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---Not blaming Jihad on the Catholics. Just noting that any religion will do. All it takes is for said religious fanatics to take the notion that God is telling them to start the killing.
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No doubt about that.
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Ok, so then why blame the religion?
--- Quote ---And, Islam took that notion on almost immediately. That is how it took over Arabia, and then the whole of the Middle East. Then beyond that.
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And how did Christianity take over most of the rest of the world even quicker? Here's an interesting animated time-line:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html
--- Quote ---Certainly Muslims enjoy the right to create Mosques in the U.S.. Even the one at Ground Zero, but they should build it somewhere else. So, the controversy would disappear. A person may have the right to open a slaughter house for swine next to a Mosque. I would say it would create controversy where none is needed. It's about respect. Not simply about a "right" to do it.
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Ok, so what happened to convert the Holy Roman Catholic Church from a blood-thirsty conquering military complex to a mostly benevolent spiritual and welfare organization? In my opinion, it was Catholics on the ground acting on what they view as their mission and beliefs. So if the activity at that mosqu turns out to be hostile, call them on it. If it turns out to be in the spirit of Cordoba as they say, praise them for it. But it would be a huge mistake to make enemies of one of the largest religions on the planet. I say "one of" because I don't really buy the notion that the majority of people living under any theocracy really believe the ruling religion. They just keep quiet about their beliefs till they have a chance to act or escape.
none-ya:
--- Quote ---Antigen wrote;
"Ok, so what happened to convert the Holy Roman Catholic Church from a blood-thirsty conquering military complex to a mostly benevolent spiritual and welfare organization?"
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When did that happen?
BuzzKill:
--- Quote ---Ok, so then why blame the religion?
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Google: Honor Killing. Take a good look.
See also:
http://http://www.drmarkgabriel.com/books.html
Dr. Mark Gabriel was born and raised in Egypt in an Islamic family. By the age of12, Dr. Gabriel had the entire Quran memorized. He graduated from Al-Azhar University in Cairo and then became a professor of Islamic history at that university. He also served as the Imam (spiritual leader) of a mosque in Giza, where the pyramids are located.
In short, Dr. Gabriel was a highly prestigious figure in the Islamic world when one day he dared to question the authenticity of the Quran. That evening he was kidnapped by the Egyptian secret police and thrown in prison where he was tortured unmercifully for days due to questioning his religion. Miraculously, just as he was about to be executed, he was delivered from the prison by a relative with political connections.
During the next year while unemployed and living with his parents, Dr. Gabriel met a Christian pharmacist who gave him a Bible. That Bible led him to Jesus, and when he read the Sermon on the Mount, he decided to accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior. When his father discovered that mark had become a Christian, he tried to kill him. Running for his life, Dr. Gabriel fled to South Africa where assassins were sent to kill him. Finally he fled to the United States where he was granted religious asylum.
Your right that the RCC shed a lot of blood but when they did this it was in direct opposition to what the Gospel of Christ calls for. The same can not be said of Islam. When they slaughter women and children and infidels it is in obedience to their prophet.
I agree with the sentiment that they can build their mosque after they allow a church and synagogue to be built and freely attended in any Islamic country.
If this jeering lie they call Cordoba house is truly about interfaith tolerance and understanding then include a church and synagogue inside.
Why you should not believe their explanation of intent:
http://http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch16_understanding_dishonesty.htm
http://http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-doctrine-of-deceit/
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hA59eiySI
A Christian might lie for any number of reasons, but as with blood shed, when they do they are going against what they are instructed by their God. Not so of Islam.
This mosque is Not OK.
none-ya:
Death to Salman Rushdie!
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