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Here, have 91,000 classified Afghan War documents
wdtony:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---The flood of Afghanistan war reports from Wikileaks is a curious thing indeed. It is quite unlike the release of the Pentagon Papers, which were extremely damaging to the faction in the United States that benefitted from the Vietnam war and occupation. The Wikileaks documents serve to bolster the war party by implicating Pakistan, lending more credence to the policy of using the airborne terminators to assassinate the "terrists", and anyone else in their vicinity. For those who buy the concepts underlying the "War on Terra", the Wikileaks info indicates a need to broaden the war, not end it. Qui bono?
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If this is true, maybe this "leak" was organized by our own government. Admonishment by the administration may only be a clever ruse.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "wdtony" ---"The Bush administration made the case that Iraq posed a clear and present danger before the invasion."
That was a lie.
"The current refrain from President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair has only one word, "patience." It will take time, they say, but weapons of mass destruction eventually will be found in Iraq."
That was a lie.
"Americans -- and the world community -- were told that Iraq was an immediate threat."
That was a lie.
This country needs more information about the exact nature of Iraq weaponry and if there was a credible, immediate threat posed by the Iraqi regime. This is the question that must be answered because it is the essence of the policy of pre-emptive strike against a nation that poses a threat.
The leaking of these documents are controversial but there are two sides to this argument, both with valid points. My question is: Our government having lied in matters that we, the people, should have been informed, why should we trust the government to be transparent now? If soldiers and civilians are killed due to the release of these documents, part of the blame falls on the US government for covering up the truth in the past.
If we hadn't been tricked and forced into the Iraq war, the Taliban probably would have been decimated years ago.
So if anyone wants to blast the organization who leaked these documents, I would expect an equal blasting of the government administration that led us into the Iraq war under false pretenses.
How many people will these leaked documents put in danger?
How many people did the unnecessary Iraq war put in danger?
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Saddam could not come out and say there were no WOMD because he had a hostile nation (Iran) on his boarder who had a stronger military but did not have any nuclear weapons. They had a long history of violence against each other. The only way Saddam could Keep Iran from striking again was to have them believe that Iraq had Weapons of mass destruction. Saddam played a dangerous game of cat and mouse with the weapons inspectors and it cost him his country and eventually his life.
Take this for example: If there is a guy on an airplane and he stands up strapped with what appears to be plastic explosives around his waist and a trigger in his hand. Would the Marshall on the plane be justified in shooting him? What if after he is dead you find out that the plastic around his waist was only playdoh? Should the Marshall be charged with murder and prosecuted? Would he be considered a liar?
Clearly in hindsight there would be a better path we would have taken, but everyone, in this country, was on-board for the war in the middle east.
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wdtony:
Not everyone Whooter. I wasn't and I seem to remember Colin Powell asking for more time to consider and not attack unilaterally. You can't make a blanket statement like that, it's ridiculous.
But I agree with the cat and mouse thing and Saddam playing a dangerous game. But, in that country you have to be a real SOB to control a country's factions from destroying themselves, not to mention foreign invaders as you have mentioned. We, as Americans, simply aren't familiar with the culture that was Iraq.
Even Bush Senior was smart enough to pull back after Desert Shield/Desert Storm.
Afghanistan had to happen and I supported wholeheartedly but Iraq was a disater and undermined our terrorist counter-attack in Afghanistan. We were lied to from day one about that...... regardless of hindsight.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "wdtony" ---Not everyone Whooter. I wasn't and I seem to remember Colin Powell asking for more time to consider and not attack unilaterally. You can't make a blanket statement like that, it's ridiculous.
But I agree with the cat and mouse thing and Saddam playing a dangerous game. But, in that country you have to be a real SOB to control a country's factions from destroying themselves, not to mention foreign invaders as you have mentioned. We, as Americans, simply aren't familiar with the culture that was Iraq.
Even Bush Senior was smart enough to pull back after Desert Shield/Desert Storm.
Afghanistan had to happen and I supported wholeheartedly but Iraq was a disater and undermined our terrorist counter-attack in Afghanistan. We were lied to from day one about that...... regardless of hindsight.
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wdtony both yourself and whooter make valid arguments. I would not even consider them arguments, they are true statements.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "wdtony" ---Not everyone Whooter. I wasn't and I seem to remember Colin Powell asking for more time to consider and not attack unilaterally. You can't make a blanket statement like that, it's ridiculous.
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By everyone I meant all facets of government... Democrats, republicans, liberals etc. I should have made it clearer.
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