Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse

[Paul St. John]

Oh No!!!! They are killing kids too? You need to put that into your speech to the APA. Wait until they hear about the blood bath at Aspen. Be sure to let us know how they all react when you tell them.

DJ, Whooter is right.  I am looking out for you. I do not want you to look foolish.  Please do not put that in your report.  They only kill the dickheads!

and that is justified.  They deserve it.  

Some people are closed-minded about such practices... You know the type.  They can t have their world view threatened. Ya know what I mean..


But surely, we know how it is.. For example, let's say somebody is always breathing all over the walls, clearly he does not deserve to breathe anymore..

So it is only the dickheads that get murdered.  The assholes usually get the different forms of deprivation.  We are in the beginning stages of creating a treatment for cocksuckers.. not sure what yet.. maybe water-boarding.

Just lookin' out for ya DJ!

Paul

[Troll Control]

Thanks, Paul.  I appreciate your looking out for me.  Sadly, Whooter believes in the "window of loss" philosophy that most program supporters believe.  That is, if some kids die from what the programs do to them...so be it.  We're bound to lose a few along the way.  Unfortunately, these deaths are 100% avoidable, but the program staff is usually uneducated, untrained and has no business working with kids and they ignore the kids' symptoms and just say they are "manipulating."  When the kid dies, they try to blame the kid.  It's sad.

Aspen programs have on eof the worst track records in this regard.  Over just the past few months several kids have died in their programs from completely preventable maladies.  Aspen programs are extremely dangerous and sometimes deadly.

[Whooter]

Oh No!!!! They are killing kids too? You need to put that into your speech to the APA. Wait until they hear about the blood bath at Aspen. Be sure to let us know how they all react when you tell them.

DJ, Whooter is right.  I am looking out for you. I do not want you to look foolish.  Please do not put that in your report.  They only kill the dickheads!

lol... Then throw around lots of terms like Brainwashing, gulag.  Tell them that all 1,000 kids in the survey were kidnapped.  Use the word rape and abuse many times and maim.
Then compare her study to bigfoot... that was a beauty.  Wave your arms around and scream "cult bastards", when addressing the APA people.



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[Paul St. John]

Oh No!!!! They are killing kids too? You need to put that into your speech to the APA. Wait until they hear about the blood bath at Aspen. Be sure to let us know how they all react when you tell them.

DJ, Whooter is right.  I am looking out for you. I do not want you to look foolish.  Please do not put that in your report.  They only kill the dickheads!

lol... Then throw around lots of terms like Brainwashing, gulag.  Tell them that all 1,000 kids in the survey were kidnapped.  Use the word rape and abuse many times and maim.
Then compare her study to bigfoot... that was a beauty.  Wave your arms around and scream "cult bastards", when addressing the APA people.



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LOL, Whooter... You re one of them cult bastards!

[elangraduate]

1-800-KILL-A-CHILD http://www.savingteens.org/

 :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :suicide:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :on phone:  :on phone:  :on phone:

[Whooter]

Classic.  I never thought people would be this upset over a study being done of the industry.  I thought you guys would try to down play it, but WOW!!  this has really rocked your boat.

all that  "Show me a study"!!!  lol

ooops, now what do I do?    Hmmmm... maybe try to discredit the study?  Only thing left to do.


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[Troll Control]

I don't think anyone really has to try to do that.  Dr. Friedman, a PhD psychologist from USF who studies TTI programs, has already said that there have been no independent, valid studies, only marketing materials, which includes the Behrens work.  

Also, Aspen Ed lawyers argued in court that Aspen provides no treatment of any sort to anyone, so I can't really understand how Behrens studied "Aspen treatment programs" when there's no such thing.  I heard she also studies Bigfoot and Champ, too.

Her work is kinda silly in light of Aspen's admission that they don't have any treatment centers, don't you think?

[Whooter]

I don't think anyone really has to try to do that.  Dr. Friedman, a PhD psychologist from USF who studies TTI programs, has already said that there have been no independent, valid studies, only marketing materials, which includes the Behrens work.  

Also, Aspen Ed lawyers argued in court that Aspen provides no treatment of any sort to anyone, so I can't really understand how Behrens studied "Aspen treatment programs" when there's no such thing.  I heard she also studies Bigfoot and Champ, too.

Her work is kinda silly in light of Aspen's admission that they don't have any treatment centers, don't you think?

Its funny to watch you fall apart over this study being released.  Your friend is going to have to talk to the American Psychological Association (APA).  He should join that org. and maybe get invited to the next meeting lol.

Whoops you didnt think of that?



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[Troll Control]

Whoops.  I guess you don't understand APA policy on presenters.  Let me help you:

APA does not necessarily endorse or validate these speakers or the content of their talks. The speakers do not necessarily represent the views of APA.

Whooter seems to think that if someone speaks in front of a group the group endorses the speaker and their words become the policy position of the group.  Whooter is pretty dumb.  And too lazy to check his facts.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

DJ. The horse is not only dead, it's a paper-thin slime of hoof, bone, and horse guts on the killing floor.

Seriously, we've been over this. He's not really arguing with you, he's arguing with the demons in his own head. And no matter how many times you do it, proving him wrong isn't going to fix that.

[Troll Control]

OK, so what we have so far is that the Behrens study concluded that abusing children is effective in biasing them to self-report improvement in order to be allowed to leave the program.

Programs Included in Behrens' Work:

ASR - cited for child abuse by the state of MA
MBA - forcibly closed for "systematic child abuse and neglect" by the state of OR
Youth Care - killed a boy through neglect and was cited by state authorities

Anyone have further info on the other programs behrens concluded were "effective"?

Let's stick to the topic, folks.  We're talking abusive Aspen facilities and their inclusion in the Behrens work.

[Whooter]

Whoops.  I guess you don't understand APA policy on presenters.  Let me help you:

APA does not necessarily endorse or validate these speakers or the content of their talks. The speakers do not necessarily represent the views of APA.

Whooter seems to think that if someone speaks in front of a group the group endorses the speaker and their words become the policy position of the group.  Whooter is pretty dumb.  And too lazy to check his facts.

Like I said it is fun to watch you try to discredit it.  You failed to provide a link because it only applies to Secondary School Teachers (TOPSS)  lol
whoops....
Link

See you have now reduced your self to deception and lying.  You didnt have to lie because we both know that presenting at the APA convention doesn't mean they all agree with what is being presented.  It just adds another level of validity to the study.  Gets it out to the professional community.


Residential Treatment Outcome-Study



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[Troll Control]

So, because you saw the disclaimer in one place, it must be nowhere else.  Great logic there.  "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" the saying goes.  I thought you knew how to use a search engine? :rofl:

Whooter also neglects to mention that speakers at the APA convention pay the APA to be allowed to present.  They aren't chosen by the APA to present.  Funny how he forgot to mention that.

[Whooter]

So, because you saw the disclaimer in one place, it must be nowhere else.  Great logic there.  "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" the saying goes.  I thought you knew how to use a search engine? :rofl:

Whooter also neglects to mention that speakers at the APA convention pay the APA to be allowed to present.  They aren't chosen by the APA to present.  Funny how he forgot to mention that.

Well throw the link up then of where it says that.  (It was your quote)  wow!!  3 lies in a row, DJ....  tsk tsk.  Caught red handed!!

Hmmm..

How about this link:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study



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[DannyB II]

Thanks, Paul.  I appreciate your looking out for me.  Sadly, Whooter believes in the "window of loss" philosophy that most program supporters believe.  That is, if some kids die from what the programs do to them...so be it.  We're bound to lose a few along the way.  Unfortunately, these deaths are 100% avoidable, but the program staff is usually uneducated, untrained and has no business working with kids and they ignore the kids' symptoms and just say they are "manipulating."  When the kid dies, they try to blame the kid.  It's sad.

Aspen programs have on eof the worst track records in this regard.  Over just the past few months several kids have died in their programs from completely preventable maladies.  Aspen programs are extremely dangerous and sometimes deadly.

DJ, stop acting like you are disconnected from this, you were part of this system that as you say, "committed these crimes". Yet we never hear about you in this anywhere. Ya know when Joel and Che speak they usually share their experiences as staff, not you.
DJ, you were staff and you were educated, so stop overcompensating here with this I'm all for Bla Bla Bla. It comes across phony.
Your buddy Paul thinks he has a hot case here, well, I will found out once and for all who is Danny and Whooter. I'll expose them if it is the last thing I do. Problem is, what is there to expose.
My purpose here is, to have balanced conversation.