Author Topic: Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse (Read 23999 times)

Troll Control · « **Reply #90 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:04:43 PM »

But the programs are already named. They've been shuttered for abuse or killing children. The cat's out of the bag so Aspen doesn't want to draw attention to it. That's why they punted on phase two.

But, regardless, this thread is now the #1 hit on Google when you search for this study. It can't be hidden any longer.

Whooter · « **Reply #91 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:10:27 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

But, regardless, this thread is now the #1 hit on Google when you search for this study. It can't be hidden any longer.

This is where we do agree, DJ....

I try to get the link into most posts so that new readers can see it. It is important to get as much info as possible out there:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

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Troll Control · « **Reply #92 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:13:34 PM »

But only this thread shows up in Google. Not a link to the paper. First thing they read is page one of this thread which is simply devastating to the content of your link. By the time they get to it, their stomach is turning and then they see you pimping proven child abusers. Not so good for your masters...

Troll Control · « **Reply #93 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:14:36 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

We all know about Mount Bachelor Academy's recent closure due to child abuse and neglect and that Aspen Education has claimed in court that it provides no therapy.

MBA was one of the programs that was studied in Behrens' work. The fact that MBA was closed for abusing children and that Behrens concluded MBA was "effective" despite offering no therapy and abusing hundreds of children is terribly troubling to say the least.

Here's a list of the all of the programs she looked at:

Academy at Swift River, Aspen Ranch, Copper Canyon Academy, Mount Bachelor Academy, Stone Mountain School, Pine Ridge Academy, SunHawk Academy,Turnabout Ranch, and Youth Care, Inc.

Academy at Swift River has been cited by state authorities for child abuse.

How many of the others have been as well? Are there any untainted entities in this study?

Just a reminder of the topic...

Whooter · « **Reply #94 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:20:07 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

But only this thread shows up in Google. Not a link to the paper. First thing they read is page one of this thread which is simply devastating to the content of your link. By the time they get to it, their stomach is turning and then they see you pimping proven child abusers. Not so good for your masters...

Doesnt matter what is good or not. The main thing is that the reader becomes interested and searches for a link to the study. 99% of all the parents I have met would want to take a peek at the study itself to see what all the hoopla is about. You would yourself.

We both know the study speaks for itself and its good to keep the threads up at the top so that people can have access to them and read them. Information is the key and its important to get as much out there as we can.

I think we can both agree with this.

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Troll Control · « **Reply #95 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:30:12 PM »

I wouldn't say it speaks for itself. It's actually quite misleading in light of thse facts:

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Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards set by any medical body for their "patients," medically recognized therapy, or medically accredited personnel, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.
http://www.websupp.org/data/DOR/6:05-cv ... 80-DOR.pdf

Hard to pitch therapuetuc success and argue in court you provide no therapy, isn't it?

So it's best that parents understand Aspen provides no therapy and several of the programs in the study abused or even killed children, some during the study itself. Now they're getting shut down left and right for the same. This information shows the study for what it is...bunk-o.

Whooter · « **Reply #96 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:36:44 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

I wouldn't say it speaks for itself. It's actually quite misleading in light of thse facts:

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Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards set by any medical body for their "patients," medically recognized therapy, or medically accredited personnel, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.
http://www.websupp.org/data/DOR/6:05-cv ... 80-DOR.pdf

Hard to pitch therapuetuc success and argue in court you provide no therapy, isn't it?

So it's best that parents understand Aspen provides no therapy and several of the programs in the study abused or even killed children, some during the study itself. Now they're getting shut down left and right for the same. This information shows the study for what it is...bunk-o.

Exactly, the parents and readers have the right to see all the facts and opinions so that they can make a balanced decision for their family.

Pile of Dead Kids · « **Reply #97 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:39:24 PM »

Actually, I'd just be worried about the facts. Even you can make up an opinion.

Troll Control · « **Reply #98 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:40:19 PM »

Especially the facts. Like several programs in the study abusing and killing children and Aspen providing no "conventionally recognized treatment." Those are some messed up facts about Aspen that just can't be denied.

Whooter · « **Reply #99 on:** July 30, 2010, 08:51:54 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Especially the facts. Like several programs in the study abusing and killing children and Aspen providing no "conventionally recognized treatment." Those are some messed up facts about Aspen that just can't be denied.

All of it, even the studies. Think of it as a person trying to understand public schools. You wouldnt want to mask the fact that kids get raped by their teachers or that they put in security to avoid weapon from entering the campus. You would also want to provide them with the studies which shows how kids do academically. You should provide them with the whole picture and let them decide for themselves.

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Whooter · « **Reply #100 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:08:22 PM »

Another Thought...
Lets say you were talking to parents who were raising a child and the subject of discipline came up. You would want them have all the information they could on what other people do and feel is acceptable. You would just limit them to your opinion you would give them all the information about parenting options. I would even include the “No Spank” fringe group (not sure if you ever heard of them) which are obviously against spanking but also feel they should be able to tell people how to discipline their child inside their own homes, so that they are aware of it along with those who feel spanking is a must for all parents.

By exposing them to all the various options gives them a better sense on what is best for their family. A good example is Morgan and her parents. They came here for information and they received all sides. Exposing them to the bad side of programs isn’t going to necessarily sway them. They take it all in, consider the sources and make a balanced decision.

One of the mistakes many posters do here is withhold facts and the readers see right through it, like Morgans parents did. I think that is a good example.

Pile of Dead Kids · « **Reply #101 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:15:07 PM »

How would you know what they did?

Troll Control · « **Reply #102 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:30:51 PM »

Let's say you were being pressed by a marketing person from Aspen Education to place your child into one of their programs. They tell you "Our programs are safe and effective. There was s study done. Look it up on our website - the Behrens study."

But you're looking for more trustworthy sources than Aspen's marketing group because you saw online that even Ed Cons stopped referring to Aspen because of their deceptive marketing of dangerous programs.

So you go to good ol' Google and put in "Behrens study" in the search box. Then you learn the truth about Aspen programs and the Behrens study.

Now that's a great story...

Whooter · « **Reply #103 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:34:34 PM »

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Let's say you were being pressed by a marketing person from Aspen Education to place your child into one of their programs. They tell you "Our programs are safe and effective. There was s study done. Look it up on our website - the Behrens study."

But you're looking for more trustworthy sources than Aspen's marketing group because you saw online that even Ed Cons stopped referring to Aspen because of their deceptive marketing of dangerous programs.

So you go to good ol' Google and put in "Behrens study" in the search box. Then you learn the truth about Aspen programs and the Behrens study.

Now that's a great story...

Exactly!! The person gets to see multiple facets. Now if and when a program is determined then the parents can discard the studies and focus on speaking with other parents and kids who have been through the program to further determine if it is a good fit for their family. The studies are just there to give them initial information on the industry and what they can provide.

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Troll Control · « **Reply #104 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:44:34 PM »

The studY (you said "studIES" but there's only one - don't want to mislead people, do you?) is there for marketing purposes. When it came time to publish the results of phase two, which was data collected on kids up to a year out of the program back in 2007, Aspen self-censored it. They punted.

Ever notice that the only place this work is even shown on the internet is Aspen's troubled-teen funneling sites? No scientific journals, no peer review, no follow up...no NOTHING. Just the Aspen marketing page. Very telling, huh?

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